The English Language

Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:15 pm

I'm assuming it was an abbreviation of some sort, but can't quite see how: it's more obvious with my previous example of Worcester, which I guess (without checking its etymology) acquired its pronunciation perhaps along the lines of "Wo'ster". Featherstonehaugh is more obtuse, though: but I did know a Featherstone which was pronounced much as you'd expect, thankfully.

I guess having numerous roots and even more numerous loan-words is responsible for the somewhat eclectic, inconsistent and bloody-minded spelling, but even at my age I find it hard to keep up.

I live in Gloucestershire, so wouldn't even register that Worcester is spelled oddly. Don't know if it is common the world over, but practically everyone I know has trouble with English place names, even though it's their language. There is always someone who pronounces the 'w' in Smethwick, for example. Seems counter intuitive, but my mother is Welsh, and my band-mates Irish, and those languages can make English spellings seem the very model of logic sometimes.
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Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:27 pm

Let’s face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren’t invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren’t sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don’t fing, grocers don’t groce and hammers don’t ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn’t the plural of booth beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn’t it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

If teachers taught, why didn’t preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm goes off by going on. English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race (which, of course, isn’t a race at all). That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

And finally, why doesn't "Buick" rhyme with "quick"?
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Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:04 pm

I live in Gloucestershire, so wouldn't even register that Worcester is spelled oddly. Don't know if it is common the world over, but practically everyone I know has trouble with English place names, even though it's their language. There is always someone who pronounces the 'w' in Smethwick, for example. Seems counter intuitive, but my mother is Welsh, and my band-mates Irish, and those languages can make English spellings seem the very model of logic sometimes.

The silent "w" seems to get quite a few people: I hear the same thing with the likes of Alnwick which is "obviously" pronounced annick to me, but a lot of people who are unfamiliar with it think its oln-wick (edit: and the silent "l", I completely overlooked that!) To a lesser extent you sometimes get the same with the silent "h" (the second one!) in Hexham. I'm not immune, though, and it took me a while to realise that the same rule applies to Bicester as Worcester, Gloucester and Leicester.

I know nothing of Welsh, but the spellings suggest that a headache awaits anybody who tries to figure it out!
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Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:44 pm

I don't think it was born as a commerce language, English came out of an amalgamation of the languages that were brought here by invading powers.

In one of my linguistic classes, my teacher mentioned the effect of commerce and the need to be understood, thus simplified language... I guess I explained myself poorly... again. Should I say, born of a commercial need? Anyway, here's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_English_language:
The Germanic language of these Old English-speaking inhabitants was influenced by contact with Norse invaders, which might have been responsible for some of the morphological simplification of Old English, including the loss of grammatical gender and explicitly marked case (with the notable exception of the pronouns)


Thank the Norse!
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Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:09 am

English is my 2nd language and I have to say, it's a lot easier than my first which was an Indian language. That being said, I don't know how it fares against other languages of the world.

And as for why people say it's so hard, it's just for the strange grammatical usages and spellings that have been pointed out in posts above me. But once you get a hang of such things, the language is incredibly easy.
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Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:09 pm


You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm goes off by going on. English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race (which, of course, isn’t a race at all). That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

Many of those words are false freinds, they sound the same but do not come from the same etymological root. Grocer, for exaple, comes from the French "grossier". There is no groce in English, as there is with write.

Race in biology comes from Arabic Ras, meaning leader or head, while a running race comes from norse Raz, meaning swift movement.
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Post » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:49 am

Let’s face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren’t invented in England or French fries in France. ...

...You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm goes off by going on. English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race (which, of course, isn’t a race at all). That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.


Pretty much the same for every other languages in this world. The only language that could escape this inconsistancy is the most primitive ones that died out thousands of years ago. A language that cannot merge with other languages for different cultures to understand each other with cannot withstand evolution.
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