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what do you think happens over the next 100 years? Let's see your timeline/thoughts. I'm sure the argonians will occupy and "support" cyrodiil (aiding the empire only for their own goals) to create a stronger military alliance/presense in cyrodiil for the empire.

The bretons of high rock will fall to thalmor pressure and cut themselves off from the war of mena nd elves, skyrim will assist hammerfell (still not agreeing with the empire), and eventually the agronian empire and the high elves of summerset will clash while hammerfell and skyrim put pressure on high rock to assist. During this the dark elves will rebuild and prepare to aid the thalmor. Elseweyr will launch a surprise attack on black marsh after remaining neutral for long enough..

The Dunmer will never ever ever ever support the Thalmor. And the Argonians will not control Morrowind, they have already been driven back.

I haven't thought out the particular events etc myself much yet, but I suspect the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion will become the dominant world power or a clearly ascendant one.

Really?

So why all the Dunmer refugees everywhere but Morrowind?

okay so let me ask this, who's on what side of the war and who's neutral? and on the dunmer joining the thalmor, why not? treateas change, things change, tradition is trampled, opportunity taken advantage of, it would give them the funding/means to take revenge on the empire, skyrim and/or argonia....

Lol the Argonians are alive and well on Morrowind.

The Thalmor and the Argonians were the only ones capable of repelling the daedric invasion during the Oblivion crisis all by themselves, I'd say whoever the Argonians decide to side with wins.



@Dude above
The Thalmor despise Dunmer because they're cursed, and because they worship Daedric entities as gods and ancestors [which is the ultimate heresy in their eyes].
Aedra means something like "ancestors" in the old Aldmeri tongue, while Daedra means "not our ancestors"

im guessing argonia wont get involved unless it benefits them or something, they are so outside this. maybe at the last minute they will decide their allegiance.

yes they despise the dunmer but that doesnt mean they cant use them as puppets to strike argonia/cyrodiil from thew other side without provoking

Just had a huge argument with someone over this in another thread. Not really looking to get into it again. But the Thalmor and the Dunmer hate each other. Both are extremely arrogant, the Dunmer are considered by the Thalmor to be impure because they worship Daedra. The Dunmer are in fact an offshoot of the Altmer who left a long time ago due to the very beliefs the Thalmor have now. Not to mention Altmer want to erase the mortal plane whereas the Dunmer are fine with the mortal plane. And did I mention both races are very arrogant?

Sorry, they would never have an alliance. Ever. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1270189-dunmer-and-the-aldmeri-dominion

Sorry if I come off as mean, I'm really tired. Don't mean to be that way, but its a pet peeve of mine for people to think the Dunmer would help the Thalmor.

@Hinalle,

Umm, they may have taken some southern Morrowind, but they in no way control as much territory as the OP suggests. Dunmer in Skyrim reference Mournhold as an intact city. The Argonians are not in control of Morrowind. So don't "lol" at me.

And the Argonians will side with no one. They are neutral.

I think legion would of won the war.

Cheers

hmm whata bout skyrim in the next 50 years?

The Dunmer would never allow themselves to be puppets, they have way too much pride.

I'm sure that Hammerfell will ally themselves with The Stormcloaks (who I think will be canon to the civil war).
They'd both drive into High Rock and Cyrodiil, making both Independant parties & The Empire fight each other to a stand still.
Unrest in Elsweyr and Valenwood would hamper Thalmor aid in these matters, putting distrust between the empire and them once again.

Argonia would spread north into old redoran lands, creating a small militia filled rebellion from locals and Solstheim citizens alike, to the argonians.
Pyandoea's maormer I believe, will once again strike at Summerset Isles. Putting the Thalmor in a even more weaker position and spreading them thin.

The many provinces will be at war, that's for sure. Alliances and distrust will be made as quickly as ice turns into water in the mid day sun.

Is that map for now or what you think is the future. Because if its tamriel in 4E 201, the altmeri dominion controls elswyer, and i think the argonians control southern morrowind (or they have none of the province i forget) and the empire has the rest.

As for what i think will happen i hope the stormclaoks win (because it makes the lore more interesting) and become allies with hammerfell. The second great war would break out and the thalmor would invade high rock hammerfell and cyrodiil. Due to a weakened Empire high rock and cyrodiil would take heavy damage. I also think it would be cool if in the middle of all this the kahjit revolt against the thalmor and become independent. After that it would be just one long stream of wars until both the empire and thalmor crumble leaving 9 (or maybe 10) provinces independent and we have the longest Interregnum yet. Eventually a new dynasty will come to power in tamriel and i don't know what province will be the center of it. So to sum it all up we have a long era of wars, followed by chaos, followed by peace.

4E201 - The Dragonborn wipes out the entire thalmor army, and as a result ascends to the throne of the recently assassinated Emperor. Talos worship is unbanned and Skyrim quickly reconciles with the Empire. The new Emperor then single-handedly reconquers the Aldmeri Dominion, Argonia, Hammerfell and Elsweyr.

4E202 to 4E301 - Peace.

I think Tamriel is due for another deus ex machina, either via dragon born or some sort of unforeseen happenstance. I mean the whole scene is set for some pretty massive upheaval, as it is now the whole socio-political situation of the Elder Scrolls is in flux. I’m sure Bethesda has got something interesting in store for us, because the situation as it is now could also easily spiral out of control in to a massive war of attrition that could plunge all Tamriel in to a dark age; which might also make a great setting in and of itself now that I think about it.

Following the completion of the Skyrim MQ, I think there would be another 5-10 years of peace. In this time the last vestiges of the Septim Empire will collapse. Skyrim will go its way, whats left of Morrowind and Cyrodiil and the other provinces will turn back into Kingdoms. Honestly, the Thalmar Empire will attempt invasions to take control of Tamriel from the races of Men, sparking a conglomerate of the newly established Kingdoms to rise up and meet the Thalmar. The Thalmar will lose, and Summerset will turn over to more moderate hands. Possibly these Kingdoms will form a second Empire or we could see the birth of new Kingdoms.

I think the Dunmer are in massive trouble. They barely have a land left, being conglomerated and reduced to a sporadic peoples. They will go one of two ways. Someone, hopefully someone intelligent and smart will write the Dunmer a comeback. The other option is them being wiped out or simply inbred into the populations and fading out.

no way, the dunmer are so cool, the way things are going it defo looks liek they're going underground like the falmer, but i'd LIKE to see them rise again, maybe even strike down the altmer. but in saying that i'd also like to see the altmer rise high for a good few hundred years.

next game should be closer together time wise imo

The Empire and Hammerfell will set aside their differences, join together, and push the Dominion back to the Summerset Isles and over time destroy it after intense loses.

Morrowind: The Dunmer rally Behind a single leader to take back their homeland. after many years they are successful, however this leader is assasinated (everybody believes it was an argonian) in the years that follow Morrowind collapse's into chaos as the old house attempt top reassert their power [future uncertain]

Black Marsh: in the wake of their defeat at the hands of the Dunmer and Raids into the black marsh by Dunmer's trying to gain support back in morrowind, the Argonian Empire ends up with a new leader. Enemies are quickly dispatched this leader iintroduces conscription and strict loyaty to said leader rather then the empire this appears to make the empire stronger then ever hate between the Argonians and Dunmer reach new heights

Elsweyr: its understood that since the moons return many of the khajiit varations have not occured with the moon cycles, dissidents accuse the Thalmor of interfering with the will of the gods and attribute the phenomenon as a curse due to bowing before the dominon, many a small rebellion starts in northern Elsweyr but is quickly put done as Thalmor armies invade reports entire Khajiit subsets being wipedout leaks

Valenwood: with the many thalmor troops distracted in Elsweyr Bosmer Rebels try to gain power in a cope this proves unsuccessful and is quickly distroyed coupled with the victory in Elsweyr support with in the Dominnon is reafirmed, however roumors persist of some rebels still hiding in the dense forests

Cyrodiil & Skyrim: with Titus Mede II killed around the time of the civil war in skyrim (believed to be by the dark brotherhood) a new emperor is crowned the with the confusion over the civil war aduin and the return of dragons this new emperor delcares skyrim an Indepent state before all facts of the civil war are known, the jarls of Skyrim declare war on all thalmor within skyrim, Talos worship grows. as the Thalmor bring their arimes home from the Elsweyr they prepare for full blown war with skyrim however the new Emperor signs a peace accord with skyrim and produces a miliatry and trade treaty informally known as the alliance of Men, the Dominon bound by the WGC abandon their plans for war in exchange for all thalmor assets to be with drawn from skyrim

Hammerfell and High rock: A Massive Orc army take control of a the south west border of High rock and Hammerfell both countries attempt to put down the Orc's but fail a peace deal is settled when both the Empire and Hammerfell offically recogise the area as belonging to the Orsimer. High rock angered by the motion declares its independence, years later to becomes apparent that the thalmor had a hand in the Orc rebellion.............Hammerfell signs onto the alliance of men.

Morrowind, as a Dunmer province, is a shadow of its former self.

Vvardenfell (the island part of the province Morrowind was set on) is wrecked. A big rock fell on Vivec and the Volcano erupted, which did a pretty big number on it - its population has scattered (to Skyrim, to Solstheim and all over the Empire).

The Argonians aren't in retreat. They might not have taken all the territory in Morrowind, but their gains were impressive enough and they are fairly established in them now.

And don't forget the Nords and orks also attacked Morrowind.

I know exactly what happened. But Dunmer in Skyrim make references to cities like Mournhold, suggesting the province is not nearly in as bad of shape as you are suggesting. Therefore, the Argonians are no farther than Mournhold, in fact I'd say their territory stops at Tear. The Dunmer are not going to go extinct, their homeland is in decent shape.

I don't think anyone suggested they were going to go extinct, they still have a sizable population.

It was more your comment on "the Argonians won't control Morrowind, they have already been driven back" that had people talking when they haven't really be driven anywhere. And I think it would be fair to say the Argonians are in much better shape then the Dunmer at the moment (crazy city killing soul eating device aside).

The Thalmor may want to pay the Dunmer back for a little incident involving Tiber Septim, the Numidium, and Summerset Isle becoming part of the Empire. If I was any other Altmer, that would seem like the ideal time to revolt. The Thalmor, in their arrogance, would probably think nothing of stepping on the toes of the Nords and Argonians to get their revenge. Enemies everywhere. What better time?

The Dunmer, ATM, are mostly a nomadic folk, as the massacre by the Hist led Argonians (and it was a massacre; they killed everything in their path) pretty much depopulated southern Morrowind....at least those who couldn't run away in time. The fall of the Ministry of Truth removed Vivec City from reality for all time, creating the Scathing Bay, and Vaarnenfell's eruption devastated what was left (effects were felt in Black Marsh and Elseweyr, which finally gives us a range to gauge the eruption by). There may be cities intact (as in still standing, and maybe sheltered), but the vast majority of dunmeri land is now called The Wastelands....which suggests a significant step down from The Ashlands, doesn't it?

Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Hist provoked massacre wasn't at the instigation of the Thalmor. It looks like it destroyed what was probably their biggest foe. Dunmer live just as long as they do. Are almost genetically predisposed to spit in their eye. While not quite as powerful in the realms of magic, they are far better and nastier warriors. And where a generation of man would die and forget, they would remember. Dunmer are cursed, diseased, corrupt perversions in Altmer eyes. And the biggest Mistake the Thalmor made was taking the actions they took. Oh, a large percentage of dunmeri are dead and gone. The old power structures are smashed. But what you have are small groups scattered all over. Embedded. Surviving. It may take awhile, but they will rebirth those who were lost.....and if it ever comes to pass that it is learned that the Thalmor were to blame for the invasion, all those scattered, homeless, bloodthirsty killers are in a position to do to the Aldmeri agents what was done to the Blade agents. Only they wouldn't be so nice about it. And they might just prove to be the force that pulls the fragments of the Empire back together to deal with the real threat (my dunmer lass has already found enough intel that she really wishes she could snatch Ulfric and Tullius, take them to a secluded dungeon, and beat the bloody hell out of both of them, and rub their faces in the fact that -both- of them are handing their peoples to the Aldmeri Dominion on a bloody silver platter. That if they keep this civil war nonsense up, their choices are losing all to the Thalmor, or all to the Dragons. And that if they continue to think with that second head, she'll happily remove same to keep it from interfering. Slowly. With a dull blade. She =really= hates having to deal with blind fools.....).