"Oh, Im sure I'll be banned Faster than an alcoholic from a brewery For having an Intelligent but abrasive opinion, but, yeah, initially, It was said that a series of 7 DLC's were planned for FNV, and that one of the Biggest points of this game was to be the open ending with outcomes based on how you sided with factions, and to see the change in the mojave. Shortly after the release of Dead money (which coincidentally will also soon be the name of the FO Franchise if they don't get their S*** straightened out) it was announced that only 3 more DLC's would be out, and F-U FANS! NO OPEN ENDING!

What the hell is an RPG with no open ending!? Oh, That's Borderlands... EXCEPT, OH wait, that Totally had the option of continuing your quests after the main story was completed. I rest my Case. "

Which was to be my next post in the first thread, but as we can all see nobody can take criticism for [censored] over here because they all know they're [censored] up.

Wow, the modern day methods of dealing with disappointed customers is Censorship? Bull [censored]. I don't pay you people to tell me to [censored] off. I pay for customer support. NO MOAR OF MY MONIEZ FOR U BETHESDA.

And the quote to support this? I never saw it myself.

snip your arguments are empty, your angry is empty and your belief in what is reasonably possible is empty.

It was said from the BEGINING, the game had an ending. It was never hidden, never a secret except to people who refused to pay attention. And to lazy players who could never figure out you can free roam for 1,000 hours without actually finishing the last stage. The game's ending is wide open, but it ENDS.

The number of DLC's was never said to be 7. Anyone who told you that was a liar or counting pre-order packs.

Your criticism is equal to that of an angry raving lunatic screaming "you svck" repeatedly for an hour.

At Least I can Spell words. The Thing about this game is, I LOVE IT, Regardless of all the Errors, but I went through this with EA. We got Robbed on Army of Two: TFD and as soon as any of us brought it up, BAM, thread locked, even if it was in an intelligent and polite manner.
I LOVE FALLOUT, but when Bethesda Gave it to obsidian, it fell to crap. Yeah I may seem pointlessly angry, but most people don't even remember what was promised for this game, because the initial promises of this game were swept under the rug so fast that most didn"t even have time to catch that. At least 5 DLC's and one with an open ending was the reason I was so happy to buy this game. They said that They wanted to capitalize on the DLC idea that was done so well in FO3. Which again brings me to this point, how do you take an idea that's already 80% done, and take 5 steps back to the 36% area and say "The game is ready!" This is unfortunately one of the worst planned projects in video game history that was supposed to be a major title. Polite enough?

I just perused your first rant. I think someone should discuss with you how to properly approach criticism. For example: telling every member of Bethesda/Obsidian to engage in a vulgarly stated sixual act is not constructive criticism.

Oi vey.

If a mod locks your thread, that's your chance to take a step back. It's not your chance to take a step forward and fall off a cliff.

Hear, hear.
Obsidian's just not qualified enough to work with gamebryo.

All I hear is raving anger with no acutal arguments or anything of substance to say.

The promises you remember were never made, they never promised 5 DLC's or 7. Thats just a number fans made up. They never promised a freeroam ending, once again something fans made up.

Find somewhere else to rant and scream

Why didn't you start with what you just wrote? It will get you a lot further than your first attempt. I don't mind you having your say and have others join you in civil discourse, but I have edited your OP to reflect what kind of language we approve and disapprove.

when was there ever going to be an open ending?

So, do that many people hear a rumor and just automatically assume it came from Obsidian? I guess so, otherwise we wouldn't have so many of these threads

OK, to be fair, I missed this post. So let me give it the actual response that it more or less deserves.

First of all, you don't love Fallout as a franchise. You love Fallout 3. That's quite different. If you did love the Fallout franchise, you'd be aware that Obsidian's core is made up of refugees from the destruction of Black Isle Studios, the team that began the Fallout franchise back in '97. In fact, within Fallout 3 itself, Bethesda gives a well-deserved tip of the hat to Black Isle by referencing the "USS Ebon Atoll" in the Museum of Technology.

Secondly, there was, to my knowledge, never a point when FO:NV was scheduled to have more than four DLCs, or a DLC that allowed for continuation of gameplay after the main quest's conclusion. The Lucky 38, which has obviously been present in the game since the very beginning, contains in it several shelves for snowglobes. The shelf dedicated to DLC snowglobes currently has--as it has since the game's release--four slots, one for each DLC. Additionally, Jason Bergman stated http://www.destructoid.com/fallout-new-vegas-has-a-definitive-end-181927.phtml that there would be no post-game content, so unless you can find and cite a source from even earlier, I'm going to have to disbelieve you on this one.

I think there is some confusion as to what an open ending is. I'm not sure the OP knows what "an open ending" actually is.

Depends on your definition of "open-ended." Technically, New Vegas's ending was very open-ended in that it didn't wrap up the whole story in a neat little bow, you only know what happened immediately after the end of the game, but the true fate of the Mojave is still uncertain. In addition, your actions throughout the story mean that the game can end in a multitude of ways, so there's no one "true" ending. The OP seems to consider "open-ended" to mean "playable after the end."

Ninja'd by Lord Vukodlak!

what i meant by "open ended" was post-ending gameplay

It's hilarious to see how many people keep svcking up and kissing Ob[censored]ian's ass...as if defending them is going to get you anything special...keep it up brown-nosers, you're the reason why Ob[censored]ian doesn't care about their customers... :clap:

If you want to claim an intelligent opinion, it'd be nice if you were a bit more informed. Spoilers: The 7 DLC rumor was a total fabrication by a gaming blog. Or possibly a no-name magazine, now that I think about it. IIRC it was even in the same breath as the "Ulysses' is the Courier's lover" rumor.



Again, you're misinformed. We've known there was going to be a fixed ending since a year before NV was released. We've known that there would be no Broken Steel-esque DLC for about six months before NV was released. The Obsidian devs were very explicit on this point.

There was never going to be freeplay after the end. The outcomes based on how you sided with factions was handled by the ending slides.



Mass Effect 1. Baldur's Gate. Planescape Torment. KoTOR 1 and 2. NWN. Alpha Protocol. Arguably Dragon Age. Fallout. Fact is, freeroaming after the end is the exception rather than the rule. It's mainly Bethesda games that do it. And this isn't a Bethesda game, if the flaccid exploration and superbly intelligent writing didn't clue you in.

Not really the same thing.

lol sorry I was using the OP's own words, don't lash out at me. jeez people are quick to get on the offense here

wut. Talk about flame bait, so you are saying people who support Obsidian and have a different opinion than yours are the reason that you have a low opinion of Obsidian? I sincerely don't understand you.

I love people on the internet. From the people I can call my friends, to the people I can call a spectacle.

You can guess which category this guy falls under.

I can agree that Obsidian has handled New Vegas a bit sloppily, but, throwing a hissy fit over it won't change their business tactics. If they had said old world blues would come out within the next 3 months, people would be estatic over the release in July, cause they wouldn't have to wait the extra month.

I'm sorry, I wasn't attempting to attack you. I just wanted to clarify. As to your question, as some have pointed out, I know of no time, unless it was back when New Vegas was but a twinkle in someone's eye, that post-ending gameplay was advertised.

:cookie:

This is almost better than a movie!

If by "Too Seriously" You mean I don't like to throw away my money? Yeah, I Do. If By too Seriously, you mean that I shouldn't be mad about poor work from one of my favorite game companies? Then yeah ,maybe I take it a bit too seriously.

But lets take a step back and look at where I'm coming from k:

Working to Achieve a CIS Programming Degree with emphasis in Video Game Testing.
I Own :
PC- Fallout 1, 2, and Tactics, Fallout 3 (all 5 DLCs), And FNV (Both DLCs)
MAC - Fallout 2 (bet you didn't know those even existed)
Xbox 360 - Fallout 3 (all 5 DLCs) and FNV Collector's Edition (plus both DLCs)

And, I bought that flop Brink, which was supposed to revolutionize how team Combat and freedom of movement were supposed to work together, and didn't, because the AI was like someone ported over some Assembly Line AI to run your team mates.

So If anybody reserves the right to be upset, its me because I've not only Bought Fallout 3 and its DLC's twice (Technically 3 times if you include my first Xbox 360 that broke), but I bought FNV and its current DLC's twice (and one copy was CE) so, maybe, just maybe, I am allowed to be upset a little, ya know? Because, Both Copies of FNV didn't work right straight out of the box.

If this is empty anger, i'm not sure how I can be more specific with my anger other than, I feel as though I was taken for $200, understand? This game is still only playable 100% of the way through with User Created Mods, so I can't see why MORE people haven't complained about the lack of a truly Solid patch to fix major issues like constant freezing or crashes, broken quests, Major in-passable dialogue bugs, Nav. Meshing Issues, Clipping Issues, Invisible wall issues, etc. Constructive criticism is ignored mostly, and when people get angry they dont have a way of expressing it and being heard. There should be Angry Rant threads, and if it cant be articulate and intelligent it should be ignored. I personally Use a blend of intelligence and a foul mouth to get the point across.