I don't think you should be taking this thread seriously. But yes, I do realize how big space is. But this thread isn't about reality, it's about fun.

Alien invasion discussions are srs bsns.

Even if it is, I could do without the pedantry.

They could also invade the Netherlands on the first monday of a month at 12:00, which is when the air alarm sirenes is tested here.

Any species able to achieve faster than light travel won't need to stoop to the level of fooling us into thinking Earth isn't being conquered. I imagine if such an invasion did occur they wouldn't even bother leaving orbit. They'd just bombard the Earth with radiation or something from the safety of their ships.

I actually thought about that recently. If the power plant at Borsele has a meltdown at that time of the month I'm completely screwed.

Oh, I don't know... Unless our peculiar tendencies are exclusive to our species alone, any alien invasion would probably end up incredibly unpopular on their home planet, possibly the result of a smokescreen to cover some xeno-politician's indiscretions with their female staff before an upcoming election, and after blasting a few non-strategic cities from high orbit they might just call it a day and go home with a giant "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner trailing behind their spacecraft.

I can see aliens invading on April Fools day claiming to come in peace. Then they attack while saying "April Fools, humans! Muahahahahahaha!"


Those are only the big events. It's the smaller ones you really have to watch out for, since they tend to go unnoticed. It's the one you don't see that usually gets you.


We can only hope.


Of course he's real. The show was created strictly for deniability.

Ah yes, the line I hear way too many times.

Unless their one of those species that somehow developed FTL without discovering the practical military applications of space propulsion systems and explosives. Imagine, sword weilding space faring aliens! Or aliens who have muskets in SPACE! We could curbstomp them if we were so fortunate.

Excuse me, "one of those species"? Which "those"? :huh:

There are billions of galaxies with trillions of stars in them in the universe. It will be foolish if someone says that we are alone in the universe. Saying that don't be surprise they look like us.

To confirm what I typed the only way I fully believe there are aliens out there, there is a space ship like Battlestar Galactica suddenly appears at our door step and say that we are come in peace that we are going to settle here.

From what he wrote I'm guessing that he was referring to the dumb aliens..

you know, those...

I think I can say quite clearly, and without doubt that there is no intelligent life anywhere in the universe.

But.., if I agree with you, then that qualifies as an intelligent observation, which disproves the statement, which changes my agreement, that then disqualifies the observation as intelligent which proves the statement to be true which...

My head hurts now

He's more of a mish-mash of alien parts that we scavenged from Area-51, kind of like Frankenstein's monster, except dumber.

Well it that is a case knowing how big the universe is it will be one big fizzer. A major disappointment.

It figures that the alien would deny the existence of aliens. We know you escaped from Area 51.

I'm not denying the existence of aliens, I'm denying the existence of species which "developed FTL without discovering the practical military applications of space propulsion systems and explosives". "One of those X which Y" implies that there are real-world examples of X which Y.





By the way, hi! I'm Veeno. I nitpick.

How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Race_(Worldwar) By 1941 (our calendar) they had been a space faring race for at least 14,000 years, but they're military equipment & vehicles were still only equivalent to late 20th century/early 21st century earth tech.

You're doing the common mistake of confusing "fictional" with "real-world".

You really shouldn't be so fussed about quirks in peoples sentences.



Yes, I noticed. You must be an eldar.

Well its perfectly possible for aliens to find us as we are stupid enough to blast radio signals and the like in space.

Its not clever to cheap too loudly in the nest when there may be hawks about.

I do not believe in the "aliens are advanced and therefore peaceful" line, I believe that is a load of crap.
Logically any alien race is a competitor in a galaxy with a finite lifespan and finite resources.
Aliens are less related to us than we are to spiders.
Evolutionary speaking aliens would be clever to destroy us as soon as they find us, it reduces competition for resources, it eliminates possibility of future threat.
And they wouldnt even have to land here.
Tweak the sun to emit more radioactivity, or hurl a couple of dinosaur killers our way.
Both cheap and easy ways to take out the competition.

We will have nothing they want, so landing here is probably never going to happen.
Any resource found here on Earth is much much easier and cheaper gotten in space where you dont have to deal with a gravity well. Except for humans, and what would we be able to do for them that they want?
Cheap slave labour? nonsense, easier and cheaper to genetically engineer that or build robots. Food? Hardly. We would most likely be deadly poisonous to them and if not we would certainly be very expensive. Gravity well again, coupled with massive interstellar distances.

They would kill as as soon as they find us and probably never try to make contact.
And if the situation were reversed I believe humans will not hesitate one second to do exactly the same if they found a lesser developed race out there. Id support that, hell, Id even pull the trigger.

The galaxy is a finite place with a limited lifespan. When planning for eternity and the survival of humanity I believe we must not only venture into space but also exterminate everything we can and hide from those we cannot.

One last thing to ponder: In our history there is not one single example of a lesser advanced society meeting a more developed one and that society not being completely destroyed in three generations.
This is what inevitably happens on earth and the societies destroyed are the same species.
Other species have been given even less of a chance, we remove them when we feel we need their habitat.
Aliens? No chance of peaceful relations whatsoever. At the very best we can occupy the same space while mostly ignoring each other, but evolution mechanics and competition for resources will most likely ensure a war of extermination.

edit, in reply to posts on this thread.
-Any FTL drive usage is visible througout the galaxy. The snag is that the wake travels at the speed of light while the ship is faster.
- Any alien race capable of interstellar travel is not limited to swords or musket weapon tech.
"Kzinti lesson"— "The more efficient a reaction drive, the more effective a weapon it makes."

First of all, evolution has absolutely nothing to do with that so you shouldn't have started that sentence with "evolutionarily" (or, in your case, "evolutionary").

Second, the same argument could be applied to conclude that every single nation on Earth should try to destroy every other nation on Earth - it reduces competition for resources, it eliminates possibility of future threat.



A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aborigines.



Oh really? You clearly must know quite a bit more about FTL drives than I do, but you have to give me a break - no human has ever even seen one so far so I had nothing which to study about them from. But, pray tell us more of what you know about them. I, for one, am most curious.

I think part of the problem with Merari's post is that it seems to assume a high level of alien technological superiority. Such a high level in fact that destroying all life on a planet would be an effortless endeavor. Politically speaking, any species with moral codes about killing even marginally similar to ours would have to take a great risk to investigate every radio source that appears to be artificial and exterminate any alien presence they discover.

Everything considered, such a program of extermination would also be a great undertaking, requiring the building of powerful ships, numerous crew to operate it, and millions of man-hours spent in R&D in order to discover the best way to kill random aliens with a 100% success rate. Not to mention requiring the construction of either FTL travel or cryonic storage devices to ensure crew survivability, and the risk that the crew will go rogue and have a planet-killing WMD at their hands. In fact, considering the vast size of the galaxy, what are the chances that an alien species would ever enter a military conflict over resources with another species (assuming both species hail from different planets orbiting different stars)? Or that the whole of an alien species military infrastructure would be involved? Without FTL travel capable of making a trip of multiple light years in days it is just too impractical a fight.