Yes, this is true, but they have the benefit of not being afraid of the NCR and having a strong, single-mindedly disciplined leadership. So I think without the player's involvement at all, which is what I'm assuming this poll is counting on, it seems the Legion would have the upper hand.




Hell, in this case ... everyone wins.

Assuming that the courier somehow split into 3 equal and powerful twins, with one helping the NCR, one helping House, and one helping the Legion, and that these courier twins brought their factions the most possible power that the player can in the game...I would side with the securitrons. The fully upgraded and activated securitron force would be decimating to the Legion, since the Legion uses NO pulse technology, and the majority of their force is armed with machetes. There would be a greater fight between the securitrons and the NCR, since the NCR might utilise pulse technology, and the NCR also has a large number of firearms. But after seeing row after row of securitrons under the fort, my decision was final. Besides, the NCR is spread too thin, which would lead to that large force of securitrons wiping out garrison after garrison, until there were none left.

The strongest fighting force? The gentle folks of Goodsprings; but only if they can get some light armor and bit of dynamite and a few stimpaks.

Actually this:



If the Courier remains in that grave at the beginning of the game, the NCR is screwed. The other factions are far less dependent on the Courier altering the balance of power in their favor.

I totally agreed with you. I wish there was a way to choose no one at all and put Ringo in charge.

I'de put Chet in charge.

"Okay, Well just so you know.. I'm going to be at my store, You know protecting the.. Uh.. Goods.. and stuff.."

The 3 major factions (NCR/Legion/House) appear to be at a stalemate, which is relatively convenient in terms of storyline since you as the Courier/Protagonist can tip the favor towards any one of the major factions or go off on your own in the end. In terms of playing through the story though:

• You see much more of the NCR in the region than any other faction, which makes sense since they are the occupying force.
  
• The NV Strip is under the obvious control of House and his Securitron police force/army but they have little if any influence outside of the strip.
  
• While the Legion remains in the outskirts as the invading force. You will see the occasional patrols but you don't really have to deal with them positively or negatively as faction (if you don't want to) until you reach the strip...

House is in no posirtion to do anything. He even tells you the Caesars legion would basically destroy NV if you dont help him activate his Securitron Army, if you decide to blow them up adn not upgrade them, Mr.House is completely out of the picture.

The game puts the NCR in a position where it seems that they dont have enough supplies and are spread to thin. Whether this is because the rest of the NCR, does not produce enough and tehy breaking apart underneath their own weight. Or that even back in California there are still raiders, which is nto the case, people say in the game that everything is safe and civilized back in Cali. So obviously the NCR is gonna collape underneath its own weight if the Courier does not help aleviate some of the stress by turning back Caesars army.

This leaves one other faction. Caesars Legion. I dont know how technologically advanced, how safe and civilised things are back in Arizona, New Mexica, Utah, Colorado and any other places Caesar has conquered. But Dale Barton at the Fort seems to say things are proggressing. Industry si starting up. things are going well on the way towards civilisation. So that leads me to believe Caesar and his empire adn his legion are the best force, at least in New Vegas

House does'nt count in this poll, The Securitrons take his place as they are allied with the Courier or house.

They are actually about equal in Territory's judging by this quick map i made.
http://img14.imageshack.us/i/usapolitcalmap.jpg/
Brown=NCR
Red=Caesar's Legion
Blue= Mojave wasteland

This - Good Call.

My instinct was to say NCR, becuase they are larger and could if they Had to, invade and win. Mr. House even mentions this, but you found the best evidence of all.

Looks like Caesar would win!

The securitrons are pretty weak if you have superslam + super sledge, even on very hard difficulty setting.

I arrived at the entrance to the strip for the very first time without enough caps to enter and I had to kill all the securitrons. They fall down easily from super slam and I was able to wipe them all out very quickly without breaking a sweat and wearing only leather armor.

I chose Caesar's Legion.
Because he probably has the largest military presence ever assembled to launch a full scale invasion against the NCR. The NCR being quite numerous has no discipline at all creating a lot of people who svck at doing their job. The NCR are fighting many campaigns at the Baja which allows a fraction to remain in the Mojave. The NCR has only a fraction of the their entire army in the Mojave, and Caesar's Legion has the Great Army of the East ready to raze the Mojave.
However if the NCR had more people that may make a difference but I believe that Caesar's Legion is stronger through dicipline and experience. Most of the NCR troopers are mainly wastelanders or inexperienced fodder. The NCR rangers are pretty much matched against a Centurion, and the Desert Rangers were on the verge of total annihilation by Caesar's Legion until they retreated and were absorbed into the NCR.

Actually its half the NCR army in Mojave.

What's the likelyhood that they have exactly the same borders as the states?

But it does give a good relative comparison. If anything, CL is bigger. We still don't know anything about populations and whatnot though.

One part I think is interesting: NCR Misfits.
NCR sends people they don't really like/want to Camp Golf.
Now let me ask ya'll this, does CL have any such place?
Nope.
Do you see any legionnaire who's undisciplined?
Nope.
Now how many soldiers in the NCR do ya'll think are alcoholics or didn't spend as much time at the firing range or are addicts of some sort?
There are indications that there are some if not a lot.
Now.
Does Legion have ANY undisciplined legionnaires?
None that I've seen.

Even if NCR's forces are bigger than Legions (Which is up for speculation as it isn't a fact as far as I've seen) does not mean that each individual trooper can stand equally to a legionnaire.

Forget numbers and forget gear, it's all about how trained the soldiers are.
And from what I've heard NCR gives troopers a quick basic training then instantly ships them off to Hoover Dam or Forlon Hope.
While every time I see Legionnaires they are hunting, scouting, training or practice close-combat/ranged combat.

My 2 legion denarius. :angel:

You know, This playthrough. I'm going to [censored] the NCR with my fists.

No hold on. Overwhelming numbers and better equipment will give you a good edge over the enemy. The Brotherhood was almost completely wiped out for having the 'better trained soldiers can rambo' mentality. I'm absolutely sure that sure the NCR would give them some kind of different training than just basic training. Sure, they like using cannon fodder, but any organized state wanting to set up a successfull military would teach their troops more than a thing or two.

Then again, the tactics are also a variable. Oliver seems to have an unfortunate Haig mentality, while Caesar seems to be a better tactician.

But we don't know the exact numbers of either side so it's all speculation.
And better gear, maybe my game is more different than others or something but legionnaires have really good equipment.
Their armor might svck but they have way better weapons than NCRangers and NCR troopers.

From what I've seen, most of their weapons seem to be much more close range. I've seen NCR snipers mow down legionaries, bu they do poorly when the higher health and speed legionaries run up to them.

I speculate the NCR is running short on supplies as they continue stretching themselves out, and obviously, dissent and corruption seems to be growing.

I haven't played the legion yet, so I can't really say anything about them.

You know, If someone made a Fallout NV Mod for the Total war series, That'd be epic..

Yes, but the Brotherhood is not as nearly large as the NCR or Ceasar's Legion. If the Brotherhood had their size like Caesar's Legion then I would think that the NCR would be wiped out. The Brotherhood killed so many NCR troopers without having the ability to mass recruit thousands of men. Caesar's Legion not only larger than the Brotherhood but the common Legionary is probably better equipped to deal with an NCR trooper.

I can agree that tactics is major part of success. Like the Battle of Pharsalus in which Caesar who had 22,000 men defeated Pompeys 50,000. I seems that the Caesar of Caesar's Legion emulates his skill. You saw what happened when Legion sneaked onto the otherside of the Colorado. The Legion destroyed Camp Searchlight, Nipton, and set up base at Cottonwood Cove. Allowing him to effectively shave off the under belly of the NCR.

Its kind of sad that the NCR can't do what a Mailman does.

Melee is a bit OP in New Vegas.

a few dozen Legionnaires with super slam and machetes could easily wipe out hundreds of NCR troops.

The only situation so far where I've had a difficult time with combat against human opponents has been the white gloves society in the ultra luxe. 20 or 30 society members ganged up on me with their dress canes and it was much more difficult than taking on the entire army at camp mcarran. I could hear a symphony of all of their canes striking me every time I went out of VATS. It was very difficult and I had to use a stealth boy to escape.

I haven't fought any Caesar's legion yet in this playthrough, but I have fought many NCR and they are pretty easily defeated with super slam + super sledge. I'm playing with the Populated Wasteland mod installed which spawns many more Fiends and Thugs, etc., in various locations. Even so, it's pretty easy even on very hard difficulty setting to wipe out massive numbers of human opponents with the super slam perk, especially if they are mostly using guns or energy weapons.

When attacking gun-wielding enemies with your melee weapons, their arms become crippled and they are knocked to the ground, unable to fire back as you finish them off.

NCR.

They could take anything in the Mojave, if they just got all their ducks in a row.

Me and ED-E.