There's Something WRONG With Whiterun.......... : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:37 pm

Can't find a solution, blame the Dwemer. There's got to be some Dwarven structures down there somewhere.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:41 pm

The Songs of the Return say that the Skyforge is a piece of Dawn Era left over and even the Snow Elves didn't know what it was when the Nords asked them, but the elves were terrified of it. The Nords thought if the elves hated it, then it was a great place to settle down and so they did.

That's right. The elves wouldn't go near it, they told Ysgramor that it had been there longer than the elves had been around. Put there by the gods during the creation of Nirn.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:35 pm

You know a game is good when players start discussing about geographical landscape irregularities in it.

Seriously tho, nice find OP, i never thought of it that way, i just took for granted that its probably underground springs or something.
Would be cool if there is something very special underground indeed. Nice idea for a mod or dlc.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:28 am

I really like this thread cause it makes mistery really high...but guys we are in a fantastic world, dragons are flying above us and trolls are running after us...Do u really think that some water in whiterun need to be explained? :smile:

Don't get me wrong i will follow this topic cause it is really interesting and i will make my investigation too.
Its just that we play a game where everything is possible and i like it that way :wink:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:20 pm

Have any of you ever noticed how many large streams/small rivers emerge from the hill where the city is located?
It makes ZERO sense. That part of Skyrim receives the least precipitation of all regions, and is something of a dry tundra/northern steppe. The hill itself is rather puny, so it doesn't serve as a locus for rainwater or snow collection the way the Throat of the World does.

Where is all that water coming from?????

Something else:
The Skyforge.
There are multiple odd things about the place. Think about it - a forge that does to metal what no normal forge can do - even more powerful than the lunar forge. And it was there a Looooooooooooooong time ago - Joorvaskr was built next to the skyforge because of its discovery. Hence, it clearly predates the nords. Furthermore, the Nords don't have a clue why it's there - which means that the snow elves never told them. Yet the nords and snow elves coexisted for some time before the outbreak of genocidal war, which means they must have been on speaking terms. And the only way they COULDN'T have told them is...........if even THEY didn't know how it came to be there.

To me, the conclusion is inevitable.

There HAS to be SOMETHING underneath the city. Something which serves as a reservoir for water, under pressure. And a source of heat or energy as well for the skyforge.

It's either some incredibly powerful artifact along the lines of the Heart of Lorkhan, or it's something Dwemer. That's my guess.

Anyone got any other ideas?

This is an interesting topic.
I like your idea about the Heart of Lokhran

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 pm

Something else about Whiterun intrigues me. About the dragon Numinex.

There's a trivia raised by the wikia which is very interesting:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Numinex

Paarthurnax has said that he would visit Numinex during his imprisonment and that Numinex was so lonely and disturbed by his captivity that he could not remember his own name.
How Paarthurnax was able to visit Numinex and escape without notice or why he didn't try to free Numinex are never explained.

Maybe old Paarthy had an underground hideout built for him under Whiterun or something? lol

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:33 am

There is a river nearby, although that would mean the water has to travel up hill to fill the keeps moat.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:20 pm

If you would search for a logical explanation for every "weird" thing in the game..well,welcome to The Wizard of Oz. :bunny:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:40 pm

I noticed this too. How could there be water flowing ever endlessly from the top of a hill to the bottom? I followed the source of the water and it goes right under dragonsreach. If there is no pump there, then I'm not sure.

Q: How can a mythological animal as massive as a dragon achieve lift with such an imbalanced wing to body ratio?
A: It's a game.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:27 pm

Good one,but let's give even more options/examples :

Q: Why lizards and cats speaks to me ?

A: It's a game.

B: you have an alcohol/drug intoxication
C: you're mentally instable

:biggrin:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:32 pm

D: all of the above

:blink:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:38 pm

Some water sources come from beneath the ground. Springs. Artesian wells.

this

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:48 pm

Excellant find Chickenkungfu :biggrin:

it may well be future DLC content indeed.There is plenty of room underneath the Skyforge for an expansion of some kind,as I`ve been down to investigate it using the do not delete box trick :biggrin:

I hope you prove to be right.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:04 pm

This is an interesting topic.
I like your idea about the Heart of Lokhran :wink:

What if the Skyforge was created by the daedric Prince Hircine, The reason is the Underforge, you quest to aquire a totem Hircine. That right there gives the Skyforge an undeniable link to Hircine. Think Better weapons for the hunt. This could also why the (the possible) future companions built Jorrvaskr right near the Skyforge. They were drawn to the Skyforge.

As for the water in Whiterun I would definetly say in underground spring

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:35 am

It's a game about a magical land with Giants, cat and lizard people, dragons, magic and much more...and then you're wondering where the water in Whiterun come from?

Seriously?!? :teehee:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:14 pm

I'm going to take the Barbas perspective on this one.

We have magic spells, dragons, walking undead, deities, demons, and we wonder why a lot of water emerges unrealistically from somewhere?

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:22 pm

The skyforge is magical, that doesn't need explanation.

But the water is, and will always be, weird.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:14 pm

This is the same world where the capital's main waterway is blocked off by a city. I can accept pretty much anything after that.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:25 pm

Outer space is sprinkled with liberal amounts of water, in droplet form generally, and it wanders around our solar system. Some of it enters atmosphere, and adds continuously to the amount of water on our planet. Clearly, the Dwemer built their GPS system which drives our in-game maps, so there is at least one satellite in geosynchronous orbit above Skyrim. Now... the Dwemer satellite is collecting water in orbit, and transmitting it into that hill, using steam technology which is beyond our feeble 21st century minds. The Skyforge was originally a heat sync for the energy source used to power the satellite and delivery system, to prevent boiling and water loss to steam evaporation. You'll notice that Whiterun is pretty much in the center of the map, which would make sense. A little exploration will most likely reveal an underground facility called DASA (Dwemer Aeronautics and Space Administration,) which served as the HQ for the operation.

Of course, it's also possible that Bethesda didn't consider any of this, and thought it would be cool to have a lot of water in Whiterun. Yeah, I'm going with number two.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:37 pm

We have natural springs all over the place here home and some even feed small rivers/brooks just like the one in Whiterun( it's not a river, a nice size brook at best ) and they seem to flow endlessly. There is one with in the major city here that has been used since the early 1900's even earlier( can't remember the date it was discovered ) everyone here visits it for the cleanest water you can get anywhere.
As for the Skyforge, perhaps it was built on a mineral deposit that has a high magnetic field which adds to the normal power of the forge? This would explain the lack of knowledge in regards to the Skyforge, I have my doubts that even the most educated mages could explain magnetic properties seeing the time period that TES seem to be loosely placed( medieval times ).

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:03 pm

gamesas probably rushed the game like they did with the faction quests. The skyforge is so mysterious. I wonder what secret it holds.
As for the rivers around whiterun, if blackreach was able to be constructed, then there is nothing great about these rivers flowing from nowhere

Hang on, now - Blackreach is underground, so it's easy to understand how it could receive water flow. Whiterun is above ground and on a hill in a low precipitation area, yet produced an enormous water flow.
It just doesn't add up.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:47 am

Cannot... not be a banfoy...Must...rationalize...everything ! :banghead:

Is it possible that the flow of water is recycling itself back to dragonreach? Y'know, like one of those expensive fountain-bowls you buy for finicky cats.

My head hurts.

LOLOL! Awesome post :-)

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:36 pm

The Songs of the Return say that the Skyforge is a piece of Dawn Era left over and even the Snow Elves didn't know what it was when the Nords asked them, but the elves were terrified of it. The Nords thought if the elves hated it, then it was a great place to settle down and so they did.

Whoa. If it's Dawn Era stuff, it's pre-Dwemer.

There's something very, very wierd underneath Whiterun, then. Truly something along the lines of the heart of Lorkhan.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:41 pm

The Hawk carved around Skyforge is a clue.

Hmmmm..................excellent observation.
But what does the clue tell us?

Could it have been 'added' by the Nords? If not - who put it there and why?

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:23 pm

Have any of you ever noticed how many large streams/small rivers emerge from the hill where the city is located?...

I have noticed that before, and I've posted it before (though I never started a thread on it).

In particular the waterfalls and streams originating high up on the hill that Dragonsreach is on.

I figure a wizard did it. Although the idea that the Dwemer have some machine underground pumping up water from an underground reservoir is an interesting idea. However there are no explicit signs of Dwemer in Whiterun.