There's Something WRONG With Whiterun.......... : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:24 am

Hmmmm..................excellent observation.
But what does the clue tell us?

Could it have been 'added' by the Nords? If not - who put it there and why?

The hawk itself is quite mystifying to me.
I mean why use a hawk? Why not something more down to earth like a bear or something?
Don't get me wrong, i love how they used a hawk as a design, but it still makes me think why they'd use a hawk as a symbol.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:53 pm

What if the Skyforge was created by the daedric Prince Hircine, The reason is the Underforge, you quest to aquire a totem Hircine. That right there gives the Skyforge an undeniable link to Hircine. Think Better weapons for the hunt. This could also why the (the possible) future companions built Jorrvaskr right near the Skyforge. They were drawn to the Skyforge.

As for the water in Whiterun I would definetly say in underground spring

I change my theory, ^^ sounds like a very likely answer to the Skyforge mystery.Makes sense, you are changed under the Skyforge, there are extension quests connected to under the Skyforge when you are given the gift, and the Companions chose to camp out right next to it. Perhaps that is where Ysgomer's axe was forged, which explains the elves fear of the Skyforge, it is capable of forging weapons that are extra deadly to elves.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:45 am

Wait - if Hircine created teh skyforge for his followers to make better hunting weapons, that implies that Hircine had adherents amongst the snow elves.

Is Hircine an 'elfen' diety?

Also - if there were Hircine followers amongst the snow elves, but the snow elves were terrified of the skyforge, why did he create it? Remember, the skyforge predates the arrival of the nords.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:54 pm

But why would the first Companions be drawn to something Hircine was behind? They weren't werewolves back then. That came much later.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:58 am

Wait - if Hircine created teh skyforge for his followers to make better hunting weapons, that implies that Hircine had adherents amongst the snow elves.

Is Hircine an 'elfen' diety?

Also - if there were Hircine followers amongst the snow elves, but the snow elves were terrified of the skyforge, why did he create it? Remember, the skyforge predates the arrival of the nords.

I can't find anything in the wiki about him being a elven deity, but it does say that he was discovered later then the other daedric princes. So he could have been influencing the mortal realm since the start of time but was not noted in any writings, and he could have influenced elves long before man. Leading me to think that perhaps something happened to encourage Hircine to create a forge capable of creating weapons that are more deadly to elves( perhaps it was an elf who first defeated Hiricne or something? )
And if this theroy is correct then the companions would have picked up on this fear of the Skyforge( as stated above in another post ) and would have utilized it for defeating the snow elves. But I'm just throwen an idea out there. :shrug:

But why would the first Companions be drawn to something Hircine was behind? They weren't werewolves back then. That came much later.

Yes but they would have noticed the fear that the snow elves had for the Skyforge and would have used it to strengthen the fight against the elves. :wink:

Doesn't mean that they knew it was tied to Hiricne ( if it is tied to Hiricne ).

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:18 pm

Or maybe Beth just did not think anyone would notice

they should know by now that you cant exactly keep anything from the gamers that play the game.

On topic: the skyforge is probibly enchanted as has been said previously. as for the water in the city there are plenty of small springs around the tundra if you go exploreing you more oftain then not see mudcrabs hanging around them. it is possible that the hill where dragons reach is is home to the biggest spring in the tundra causing the water output.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:28 pm

OR... it's a video game, so no logical explanation of water sources are needed.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:05 pm

OR... it's a video game, so no logical explanation of water sources are needed.

I know but it's fun to theorize :biggrin:

and you never know there just may be something behind it or was intended to be behind it :shrug:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:41 pm

The never ending supply of water is part of the skyforge mechanisim... It is obviously of Alien origin built ontop of, and haranessing, the power of a volcano. Rather than the typical dangerous erruprtions caused by a pressure build up of the watertable meeting magma (steam), the skyforge design instead creates a high temperature forge and sustains it safely by cooling the surrounding area with water. The water is safely disipated instead of being converted into dangerous steam.

Undobtedly these aliens influenced early Ayleid culture, which is why the Ayelid's mimic the alien's national symbol of the predator bird.

If I were to hazard a guess, the skyforge was originally used by the aliens to atomize dangeorus materials.... when they departed, it was naturally coverted into a forge.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:20 pm

lol...I like that reason.

Let's all take one from Lord Orion. If nothing else wont make sense, being scientific will force some sense into it.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:18 pm

lol...I like that reason.

Let's all take one from Lord Orion. If nothing else wont make sense, being scientific will force some sense into it.

Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
--SPOCK, Star Trek (2009) :tongue:

I'm such a nerd :rofl:

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:22 am

Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --SPOCK, Star Trek (2009) :tongue:

I'm such a nerd :rofl:

If you were a real nerd, you'd know that it was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who penned that line as spoken by Sherlock Holmes.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:21 pm

If you were a real nerd, you'd know that it was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who penned that line as spoken by Sherlock Holmes.

Right you are, my nerdyness is slipping :tongue:

I'm still sticken to the Hircine theory though,the more I think, the more it knda makes sense.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:11 am

My theory after careful considertaion of all surrounding element is that, the river to the southeast of Whiterun has been diverted underground and made to flow through Whiterun and back in to the river.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:50 pm

My theory after careful considertaion of all surrounding element is that, the river to the southeast of Whiterun has been diverted underground and made to flow through Whiterun and back in to the river.

Maybe even a natural diversion under ground that Whiterun is built on top of

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:21 pm

The city is strange. I looked at it a few times and thought, were is all that water coming from?
It's wierd. It does'nt make sense that all that water it would be there naturally.

It could have a dwemer pumping station underneath it. Theres something funny going on.
It looks like a artifical construct to supply water to the area.

The Skyforge is magic, that's all the explanation you need.
But maybe it's connected to whatevers under Whiterun.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:13 pm

To be honest,i think it is just a Design "flaw" from the devs.
Like,have you guys ever notice how sometimes,you go inside a cave,and you can see a opening on the ceiling of it,but when you go outside and try to look for it,there is nothing there?
it makes no sense,so maybe the water in Whiterun is just something like this.

As for the Skyforge,i have no idea,but i like the Hircine theory.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:00 pm

I have a mod called Uncle Sheogorath's Really Helpful Hints and Tips. One of the is

Spoiler

"I built the Skyforge. You're Welcome."

Problem solved :biggrin:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:08 pm

It can't be a divergence of the rivers around Whiterun, because you can't get water to flow uphill without an 'assist.'
It also can't be a natural spring like other waterways in the Whiterun province, because the city is built atop a hill which is essentially one big stone. The water would have to flow UP and THRU the stone, and again that's not possible without an 'assist.'

Regarding the skyforge:
One would imagine that it is enchanted. Yet no one knows who did it or how it was done, or every forge in Skyrim would be just as good. Furthermore, it predates the arrival of the nords, and the snow elves were frightened of it.

It's WIERD. ALL OF IT.

;-)

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:17 pm

I would love it to be the hircine theory, but to be honest I have no clue.

Im in whiterun right now as I write and I dont see sny thing majot, wait a secound There is something, OH MY GOD your on to something because guess what im looking at, thats right im looking at a game!!!

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:58 am

Obviously all the water is urine from all the townspeople... just kidding. This is actually pretty interesting if you think about. Maybe they will delve into this in a DLC? Good find my good lad.

Ew, Ill never jump and swim on the dragonsreach pool again :S

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:41 pm

This may have been mentioned as I don’t have time to read the whole thread but if you ever visit Yellowstone National Park you’ll understand why there can be that much water coming up from a spring...

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:45 pm

It's WIERD. ALL OF IT.

Sorry if i have to say this,but to me sounds more "weird" open a topic asking a logical explanation about a fantasy videogame that is already full of "nonsenses".

No offence intended of course.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:39 pm

Hmmmm..................excellent observation.
But what does the clue tell us?

Kyne seems the likely suspect.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:05 am

Have any of you ever noticed how many large streams/small rivers emerge from the hill where the city is located?
It makes ZERO sense. That part of Skyrim receives the least precipitation of all regions, and is something of a dry tundra/northern steppe. The hill itself is rather puny, so it doesn't serve as a locus for rainwater or snow collection the way the Throat of the World does.

Where is all that water coming from?????

Something else:
The Skyforge.
There are multiple odd things about the place. Think about it - a forge that does to metal what no normal forge can do - even more powerful than the lunar forge. And it was there a Looooooooooooooong time ago - Joorvaskr was built next to the skyforge because of its discovery. Hence, it clearly predates the nords. Furthermore, the Nords don't have a clue why it's there - which means that the snow elves never told them. Yet the nords and snow elves coexisted for some time before the outbreak of genocidal war, which means they must have been on speaking terms. And the only way they COULDN'T have told them is...........if even THEY didn't know how it came to be there.

To me, the conclusion is inevitable.

There HAS to be SOMETHING underneath the city. Something which serves as a reservoir for water, under pressure. And a source of heat or energy as well for the skyforge.

It's either some incredibly powerful artifact along the lines of the Heart of Lorkhan, or it's something Dwemer. That's my guess.

Anyone got any other ideas?

Since when does a fantasy RPG world need to have weather / elements that are based off of realistic, planet Earth weather and elements?

It is an RPG.

The weather, water, air, etc. Does not have to make sense. It can be anything. It is fantasy.