It is something that has come to my attention. Before the release of Skyrim, some of us wondered what type of vampire clan might be added. Most of us thought it would the Volkihar Clan. But now that the game is released, there is strong reason to believe the Cyrodiilic clan migrated to Skyrim.

Why?

1. All vampires of the provinces are noticeably horrendous. No matter how much they feed, they will always appear monstrous and obviously be detected as vampires. The exception was the vampires of Cyrodiil who can blend in mortal society undetected if they were well-fed. Not to mention they prefer to feed on sleeping people and the vampire gameplay in Skyrim is similar to Oblivion, you feed on a sleeping person. Let me make it clear that Cyrodiilic vampire's ability to blend in is unique to their clan...JUST THEIR CLAN.

"To patron http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Clavicus_Vile, beacon oer our affairs, we owe our successes and social stature. Our bond with Vile makes us unique among our kind, for his guidance steels our savage craving with reason and savvy. For him we live amidst mankind, and twist them to our will from offices of power."

"Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons. They were cultured, more civilized than the vampires of the provinces, preferring to feed on victims while they were asleep, unaware."



2. Stages of vampirism: The longer you go without feeding, the stronger you become and the more obvious your vampiric nature is. The powers are similar as well, Embrace of Shadows and Vampire's Seduction are powers returned from Oblivion. There are few new vampire powers, however.

3. In the book titled "Immortal Blood", we are told of a vampire hunter named Movarth Piquine who enters a chapel to inquire about the various types of vampires. The man in the chapel gives him advice, and so Movarth learns and goes on his hunting tasks in different provinces. When he asked about the vampires of Cyrodiil, the man in the chapel told him they were indistinguishable from living persons, more civilized than the vampires of the provinces and that they prefered to feed on sleeping people. Movarth returned to the chapel after a month, frustrated that his search proved fruitless. The man in the chapel eventually reveled his true nature, but for Movarth it was too late, the vampire had already attacked him. Where am I going with this? Well, he was attacked by a Cyrodiilic vampire right?
Spoiler

Movarth Piquine is an NPC in Skyrim in a quest called "Laid to Rest." he is known to be a vampire master who has other lower vampires masquerading as citizens in the town of Morthal. It's no coinscedence that the book Immortal Blood is found in that same quest in the home of a vampire working under him. So it leads me to believe they indeed are in Skyrim. But the is no lore-based books to support it as Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum did on Oblivion.

Also, it appears Porphyric Hemophilia was renamed to Sanguinare Vampiris. So did the Cyrodiilic vampires evolve in these two hundred years? Or is there a new explanation? For the people that do care. What gives? Why are there Volkihar NPC's then?

I find it quite dumb turning into a Vampire, only because everybody tries to kill you, which I don't blame them.

It's quite easy now though to get rid of the disease...

Otherwise, if you see a vampire, use MAGIC.

Not the point, but okay.

Just feed and nobody will attack you. But like the days of Oblivion, people were too lazy to feed.

Retcons are annoying.

I know, I didn't mean for it to be, I just wanted to share my thoughts on having the disease, Vampirism.

Renaming the disease doesn't necessarily mean it is a different one, but I agree that the vampires of Skyrim are a little to far from the lore than I like. I do like, however, that they finally are quite strong and dangerous, with the exception of the lowest form. And I like the Vampire Thralls.

An unnescessary. Especially when it comes to something as simple as vampires.

Bethesda said one thing and did another, this surprises you?

With vampires..yes, it kinda does. I have no qualms if they change anything else not related to "afflictions." But now it seems annoying.

Holy Cow. The guy in Morthal is that Morvarth?

/loregasm

Vamps are quit different in the TES scope. I find playing them, to be quite enjoyable. especially when you play as a Stage 4 Vamp 24/7. Everyone is hostile. So what?

So is 90% of the NPCs and 99% of the creatures.

Using the Cannibal Perk helps to offset RPing the feeding needs and you actually get better from feeding.

Yes, the same Movarth. He was attacked by a Cyrodiilic vampire, so wouldn't that make him one?

I know this is going to sound like apologist retcon bs but this is how I'm going to explain it in my game since there really is no explanation of what the origin is and their addition was an afterthought.

Each installment (except Arena) had vampires. Their society/appearance was always portrayed as a twisted mirror image of the politics or races surrounding them. Daggerfall had a bunch of bloodlines that matched up with all the political factions. Morrowinds were mirroring the Three Great Houses and the Tribunal. Oblivion had one clan that destroyed all their enemies much like the Empire of their time did.

Now what do we know about vampires of Skyrim & the Nords of Skyrim? In legends they are the first vampire and man in Tamriel. The Nedes went south killing elves and in time became the smaller/weaker Imperials. What if something similar happened with the vampires? The ones seen in Oblivion are just a weaker offshoot of the original strain. Bloodlines could easily change because of geography or daedric influences.

I'm not saying it's ancient vampires but it's ancient vampires.

Because Bethesda doesn't give a damn about their own lore

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And this concludes this presentation.

How can anyone complain about playing as a vampire in skyrim? The sun doesn't hurt, and you have to go several days before it is noticeable. In Oblivion 1 day and the sun did damage. You only have to feed every 3 days to avoid the bad effects. Now lore wise I have a lot of complaints. But playing a vampire is too easy.

These are not cyrodilic vampires. They are a whole new type of vampire that is not hurt by sunlight. And having your health not regen is not the same as being hurt, this is also the first game where your health regens on its own. I forget I have healing spells half the time.

Same here!
I agree that Skyrim doesn't have the proper vampire lore. I wish they had two diseases: Porphyric Hemophilia for Cyrodiilic vampirism and Sanguinare Vampiris for Volkihar vampirism. Volkihar would grant abilties suggested by the lore: aka frost breath and reaching through ice.

Edit @noxious
Werewolf&Vampire isn't complaining about the difficulties of being a vampire. The complaint is that Skyrim's vampires don't coincide with the lore (which I completely agree with). Plus, I wouldn't argue with this website's #1 vampirism expert (aka Werewolf&Vampire).

yea but in oblivion if you didn't feed you gained some significant advantages, in skyrim you don't, you gain a couple of spells and thats about it.

I wandered blindly into Morvarth's cave... so that's why they all were there. No wonder why it isn't cleared.

Here's something to consider, most of the lore comes from in-game books. Why are people thinking the in-game authors of the in-game books are infallible? Immortal Blood is supposedly written by a vampire thus all information in it is suspect and none of it should be believed without. The same goes for Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum. Why should we trust infromation about vampires written by vampires over two centuries ago? They aren't creditble sources for information.

And even if it was true when the books were written, we have no idea if the pact with Vile spread to the other blood lines. Perhaps the entire pact is a lie and it was the Morrowind clans who were cursed unable to hide among society. (as I recall you could walk around without being attacked in Daggerfall as a vamprie).

Heh. I've never believed ANYTHING I read (or heard....) in TES.

So it's only a coincidence then that the book mentions Volkihar vampires and they appear in Skyrim? Or that the man in the book also appears in Skyrim as a vampire? It's easy to make excuses, it really is, but this is enough. Bethesda was lazy and that's all there is to it. You can come up with any number of explanations for why things turned out how they did -- some logical, some not -- but the truth is that Bethesda themselves decided on copypasting the vampires from Oblivion into Skyrim. Subtle changes were made, and they are a bit more powerful, but that's it. It's an entirely new region with a brand new environment, and vampires are pretty much the same -- or worse -- than they were before. You can't justify that.

Lies with half truths are easier to sell then complete bull. The simple fact is Morrowind already changed the rules from Daggerfall that vampries can't blend into socety. One can say they corrected the mistake from Morrowind.
Saying its a copy paste is just making things up given the differences in the system. I don't see a bonus to destruction in skyrim vampires. And I don't recall any summoning abilities in oblivion vampries. (skyrim can animate foes) And the skyrim vampries have resistance frost unlike the cousins to the south.

Perhaps the vampire you find named himself after the character in the book.

Gameplay always trumps lore.

In Morrowind, you were attacked 99% of the time. And how was Manifesto not credible? It was a written law to vampires by vampires...and only one copy could be found and that's in a vampire's lair, Deepscorn Hollow. Not to mention Janus Hassildor matches the description of these vampires. He has political power and influence. He has a disdain for barbaric vampires which he sends you to kill them because they enroached in his territory and can cause a problem. Seridur is a member of society, highly respected. He blends in and formed a vampire hunting group..that's influence. And how should Immortal Blood be fallible? As I recall, the book matched the description of the Cyrodiilic vampires plain and simple.