I agree that Shivering Isles is the best dlc. I do agree in some ways that the game is lacking a tab bit of something. I still find it really fun and it is one of the best rpgs. I do have Oblivion and I enjoyed the Shivering Isles in some ways more than the reg. main game.

The Shivering Isles (for me) was like a whole other game.

I loved what you just said Safer Saviour. I am the same way. Heck I started playing the Atari 2600. So I am not a new gamer either.

Yes I agree that Skyrim is lacking in some areas and yes it's not as lengthy as Oblivion/Morrowind but I'm tired of hearing " I've done everything, there's nothing to do now that the quests are done" I'm like 400-500 hours in adding all my characters together and I'm still finding things on the world map that I missed the first time, I think everyone is to quick to complete quests or try and get 1000 game score, try exploring for a change!Get out on the map run around and stop to look at what ever catches your eye.I have buggered off from quests all together and I find the game is more entertaining just exploring and finding things that I didn't the first time.Oblivion was the same way, unless you were on PC, on xbox, after you completed the main stories the only thing left was exploration, and I thought it was great that if you get board then you just run around and look in ever cave or fort and see what you can see. All I'm saying is don't complain that the game has gotten boring now that you have done every quest or have gotten 1000 gamer score, are you sure you have done everything? Are you sure that you have talked to everyone and completed all the little side quests? I think not, the game wont be done for me until I'm 100% positive that I have scoured every inch of the land scape and have talked to anyone and everyone that is connected to any quest, then by that time there should be expansions for console and PC players have crated a million different mods.Another tip is to not just play Skyrim, you have the choice to play something else and return to Skyrim when the mood strikes you.

you sir need to calm down. I clearly stated that this wasn't a hate rant. And "Wow do you need a tissue or a freakin tampon?" = irony

I do not understand why people say "goodbye" and then offer their finals pearls of wisdom, as if they want to leave a final mark so that future gamers will know what they posted. Dude, go do what you want to do.

Well actually, I kinda agree with you. It was a pretty solid game at first, and it gave me an even better feeling than the previous TES games, but, unlike other TES game, it's worn out on me in the space of 2 months, while others took 2 YEARS for me to start getting bored at them.

Something is clearly wrong here, and it's the fact that the game might as well be a desert: It's huge and looks good, but there's basically nothing. Nothing to find, nothing to aim for, nothing EXTREME to experience... just old leveled loot that just says "in your face!" when you know that if you waited long enough, you could have found a daedric sword at the skeletal hand, instead of a steel one

Why people who defend Skyrim always assume same things about everyone who don't? "Explore", "don't rush" etc. I DID explore everything I stumbled upon, I didn't rush MQ, I read 3/4 of the books I found, I fast travel sparingly only to already explored locations and I didn't power level anything.

However I still get bored after meager 60 hours of the Skyrim.

And why is that one might ask? To put it in accordance with Skyrim defenders:
- there are NOTHING to explore, coz every encounter is the same as well as every other fight: only decorations deffer;
- there are NOTHING to find: almost every item you find are inferior to what you can craft;
- there are NOTHING to strive fore: 95% of quests aren't interesting, nor meaningful; bland NPS; your actions don't have any impact on surroundings/world; I'm not even mentioning boss battles - pathetic.
To put it simply, the game lacks depth, replay-ability and addictive fun factor.

As for people bragging about 15 years of gaming and resenting seemingly 'elitistic' approach of some post here:
Your 15 years mean nothing to the fact how "hardcoe" you actually are: only 'quality' of those years matters. As an example I know people who play games their whole lives and still as scrub as they can be, because playing on easy/normal, sometimes with cheats and tipping only the surface of the games they playing WILL NOT make you "hardcoe" (sorry for the lack of the better term).

Thus, I agree with OP:
Skyrim is for either heavy RP gamers or newer less 'accomplished' players. And no need to be offended, think about it.

You do realize that you are talking about -video games-, right???

I'm really tired of hearing people talk about how "serious" of gamers they are, as if it's actually some kind of accomplishment.

I am a serious -student-, I am a serious -actor-, I am a serious -employee-, I am a serious -family member-, and a serious -friend-. Those are the types of things I put real investment into.

It's -video games-. You are not somehow "better" because you put in more "quality" years of playing a freaking video game.

Yes, I like to immerse myself in games, and no, I don't like overly simple video games that don't really offer me any depth or content. That's why I love Skyrim, and dislike games like WoW, or currently, Star Wars: The Old Republic.

But seriously, to say someone is less of a gamer than you??? In a game that's not even competetive???

You're not even trash talking during a competetive game of Madden, or Call of Duty - you're trashing someone's gamer status in a -single player game-!

The fact that you even have to rag on someone's gamer status, and put your's on a pedastal, is rather pathetic to begin with. It's a freaking VIDEO GAME! How serious of a gamer you are is not a worthwhile accomplishment in life, it is a means of recreation. Unless you're going to somehow turn your "serious" gaming into a career in the computer gaming design field, how serious one gamer is compared to another is 100% insignificant. It is a video game, done for recreational purposes, and is in no means any kind of accomplishment in your life. Get the [censored] over it.

Ugh, I'm so sick of the constant judging of people on these forums about their gaming habits. This... -THIS- is what our society is turning into? No wonder people lose faith in humanity.

I feel everyone can have their opinion, whatever that may be.
Disagree with OP.... and mainly offended on the last statement saying that this is for casual or new gamers only, I think that statement alone is enough to garner all of the criticism of the OP, more than what his personal opinion of the game is. Sorry, but I am a hardcoe gamer... and I love the game. Doesn't matter to me (and I am sure to you or whomever) that there may be a game considered better, worse, same as or what have you... you didn't like it along with some others, I do along with others.
It will not matter if someone does not like or likes the game... no one is going to make them change their mindset THEY have about it.
Any points he may have made are hopefully taken in as constructive criticism by a developer... so if any improvements can be made- 'awesome!'... but doesn't mean that the opinions are mandatory to do anything.

It just did not appeal to the Op or others. Sorry you didn't like.
Obviously can make and express your opinion (for future developments sake hopefully)... and hope that was the intent, as most times... I mean really... if you don't like the game, there really isn't a need to tell everyone 'I am done...I am leaving'- just leave, don't play. But while I disagree with much of the OP's post, I will defend his right to post it as it seems to be more in line with expressing his opinion on what could be better, than bashing merely for the sake of doing so.

I'm sorry you didn't like Skyrim, Slayer. Come back for the DLC - I expect it will be pretty stellar (SI?)

There is -something- that's troubling me about Skyrim and just can't nail it down. I love the magic, combat, stealth; sometimes I think the world is -so- huge I feel overwhelmed and don't know where to start. I am -very- frustrated about broken quests. But that's not it. There's something else and I can't place what it is. It could be the questlines are far too short and I thus don't feel as invested in the Guilds (by the time I made Archmage in the MW Mages Guild I felt I really earned it). There's more lore than OB, which I'm happy about.

Whatever this thing is that bugs me I know I'll continue playing Skyrim. Whatever it doesn't have it has so much more than other games. (e.g. while I love Dragon Age: Origins its (ultimately) very linear. Once you've completed the quests in a region there's no reason to go back. But I keep going back to Blackreach...)

@Nell2ThaIzzay No need to throw a hissy fit here: the argument here is about an ability of certain individuals to judge the quality of the aforementioned game, and NOT about how some gamers are superior to others. If you'd read closely - I did not say even once that I'm better gamer or human than anybody else or trash anyone status.

Moreover if one can be "-serious student/employee/friend-", why he/she can't be better gamer? It's an activity, like anything else in the life and you can get better by investing 'quality' work into it.

Thus, the opinion about people which like Skyrim and people which don't, because former can actually judge its shortcoming by the shear amount of 'quality' gaming experience they have. As simple as that.

I'm sure there will be expansions added on to the game. It's just a matter of time.

And if you're on a PC, the mods will more or less always fix something that you feel is missing; or you could request it.

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On the other hand, I have to agree with Nell2Thal's "hissyfit" ... there is no reason to have any kind of bragging right over gaming intellect.

Way to miss the point entirely.

I've acomplished a plethora of gaming feats which have made me feel personally proud, but beyond that feeling of satisfaction, those achievements are meaningless. When it comes to the the quality of years spent gaming, the superlative question is simple: how much fun have you had?

I'm sorry for people who feel let down by Skyrim and I'm well aware the game isn't perfect but simply disliking the game or some of its features doesn't give people the right to judge those who are enjoying themselves. There's no reason for the silly presumptions. Not every gamer who likes Skyrim is a new, casual or younger gamer. If they were, it would not matter and it absolutely wouldn't make you a 'better' person or gamer.

For me, it's the relationships. In DA, I seriously just about fell in love with Leliana, and Morrigan (unfortunately, not at the same time).

In Skyrim, there's none of that tension between the sixes. It would be an exciting element that adds a lot of value to role-playing. I'm not asking for graphic graphics, so to speak, just more dialogue choices and consequences related to romance. And better voice-acting. Leliana has the sixiest French accent in the known game universe.

I have to agree on some levels! the game is extremely beautiful but also crap because of the shadows that just ruin my immersion!

the quests are just bland, linear and only a few have a WOW factor!

dragon age origins had the great story-lines that were so extremely immersive that you just wanted to keep on playing!

My hope is the mods: for instance THUUMIC! before this mod I barely used any shouts and now I actually use them by speaking it out loud!

Considering marriage wasn't a feature in past Elder Scroll's games, I'd say Skyrim's a step up on romantic relationships. In comparision to the likes of Bioware, I'd say Skyrim's got a long way to go. xD

My issue with Skyrim marriage isn't the characters per say. I like Vilkas, Farkas, Aela, Brynjolf, Karliah, Parthurnaax etc. etc. My issues lie more with the 'relationship' part of the romances. There doesn't seem to be a way to meaningfully connect your character with any other character. At least not romantically. To make things worse, after marriage, your partner becomes completely cardboard.

Curiously, I've never been immersed by the story of a Bioware game (though my experience with them is limited to the DA series and a TOR beta). I just play through their games a few times to see how promiscuous my character can be. I'm a bad person, I know.

I thought of that. But there reaches a point in DA where you've explored all the dialogue and you just feel like you've lost something. That's how I feel in Skyrim. Maybe its the melancholy of beating the MQ.

I'm sure there will be expansions added on to the game. It's just a matter of time.

And if you're on a PC, the mods will more or less always fix something that you feel is missing; or you could request it.

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On the other hand, I have to agree with Nell2Thal's "hissyfit" ... there is no reason to have any kind of bragging right over gaming intellect.

Back to you: way to miss the point entirely. And I'm sorry for people who can't comprehend what others are saying.

For the sake of it:
The argument is NOT about how certain gamer/individuals are better than other - it's about an ability to judge the quality of the product.


P.s. RP means Role Playing (it seems some people don't know the abbreviation).

OP makes some good points, but unfortunately he mentioned he was done playing and spoke the most vile of words....achievements! *gasp*! if he left those out, this would probably be a decent critique of the games replayability or lack thereof.

note: i don't have any problem with people playing for trophies etc., i quite like them myself. if i really like a game, i like to get a platinum trophy for it. it's the cherry on top of a great experience for me. and skyrim platinum is really easy. if you like the game and give it a couple playthroughs you'll get all but like 3 trophies/achievements. the others take about 5 minutes to finish.

there is something missing in skyrim for sure. the best way i can put it is this: skyrim is more picture book and less great novel. once i see all the pictures in a picture book i'm done with the book. but a great novel i can read again and again.

My argument - the one you derailed - was about people judging other people.

However, my points still stand in regards to yours.

The people enjoying Skyrim are a mixed bunch. Some might class themselves as 'hardcoe', others as true 'no-lifers', some are completely new to the franchise and some rarely play games at all. Every one of their opinions is worth no more and no less than anyone else's. Of course, this applies to people who dislike the game too.

Proclaiming the game svcks is fine. It's an opinion. Widely generalising the people who disagree is disrespectful and idiotic. Assuming your opinion is worth more than anyone else's is flat out ridiculous, especially when it concerns a video game.

when i hear hard core gamer i winse, its a term thats changed for the worst in past decade, it makes me think of two contrasting styles Rinsers and Hobbieist. Rinsers are complitionists that take games at face value care for difficultly and progression. Hobbists care about freedom, immersion and pedigree, they change how they play as they play. Tes is for the hobbiest, imo, it will seem shallow to a rinser as you just finish thing after thing blindly, if you find you rinse games so fast you should aim for a mp centric game probably worth your money.
Bethesdas games need segmenting imo into areas of game play otherwise you use up the core content before you finish the fringe content, in tes quests and locations are your core content, the real time and fun is earned through rping the fringe content, exploring them with different class/characters that totally change the pace and style of game play. I never build a GP character in tes early on, other wise its game over, ive done this in the past, ive really started to get my moneys worth from the resent games tho, nv and sk have alowed me to roll so many characters i cant help but want to make more ways to reinvent the game play.
If u want the hours you gotta make them with your mind, theres only so much 'content' that can be crammed in.
This is just my opinion tho, to some im sure this seems like alien bullshi... play how you like at the end of the day but if ur burning out these games that offers others 1000 plus hours ask your self why.

THAT... right there, is simply showing your a s s and has little to any bearing at all on anything. The whole argument you have initiated is that YOUR judgment of the game is negative. Great. It doesn't take anyone claiming to be... or actually being an expert in a field or area... to make an opinion that is to be considered better, more rightfully so or of higher value than another when the personal opinion is a SUBJECTIVE ONE TO MAKE.
Just stop man.
You made your statement... you argued your opinion with another whom has their opinion... and the argument can go on and on and on... and NOTHING is going to change your or their minds about it. There is absolutely no need or reason to continue playing the game for you... and even moreso continue here on the forums.

If you are the 'true and realist hardcoe gaming expert with the most valid opinion of gaming and games' then you would be wise enough to know... YOU ARE ACCOMPLISHING NOTHING BY REMAINING INVOLVED WITH IT.

The real reason people get bored with the game is because the combat gameplay is too shallow and what little there is is easily ignored by the numerous pauses and mid-combat dips to menu screens. Maybe if the menu screens didn't pause the game that would help a little? At least then you'd have to use the games meager mechanics and find a safe place to rummage through the jumbled menu screens if you wanted to . No more drinking potions or changing weapons mid-fight without serious risk.