http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1317887-this-series-is-spiraling-out-of-control-please-stop-dumbing-it-down-before-its-too-late-part-2/

Link to thread number 1 is in the OP of the linked part 2.

It is already too late my friend.....The next game will be a blank map and tool kit so we just build it and play it ourselves....lol

TES 6: Do It Yourself

Probably better that way to be honest.

Oh my god...Not this thread again
You know this will just end up getting locked? and whats the point of this? we already had this discussion.

Why will it get locked? You said that about the last 2 and they filled up and reached post limit.

There's obvious discussion to be had here.

Oh, hey. This thread again, where the egomaniacs converge and say everyone's a silly sausage for not hating the game.

which translates to a VERY large percentage of the threads on this forum

Is this really necessary? This topic has been discussed to the point of exhaustion.

No one is going to change their mind at this point. If you really hate the game, cant't you just move on with your life?

I wish they were less lenient and just kicked people like you off the forum for repeated troll posts like this one.

I just dont understand how you develop a game for x amount of years, hype it so even your grandma wants to play and then release what we got..

Exactly Ebony Bow.

The RPG mechanics, or rather lack thereof, are very disappointing. Skyrim doesn't even have a reputation system... A REPUTATION SYSTEM. I felt my heart sink to my stomach when I noticed it, but there's none whatsoever in this game. Daggerfall's was amazing, Morrowind's less good but still pretty good, Oblivion's was decent, and Fallout 3's was at least sort of, kind of there, but Skyrim has literally no reputation system. It's just... why? People don't react according to my actions at all... they don't even recognize me as the dragonborn who slays dragons and is destined to stop Alduin. They don't ever come up to me anymore and say "you used to be my hero, now you're just a murderer" if I was once a hero and proceeded to murder someone as observed in Oblivion.

People don't recognize positions within factions... and on that note, the factions are horrible, as well. It's so disappointing, but if they kept the small number of joinable factions Oblivion had, I would have thought they would have at least remained Oblivion's quality (arguably the best faction plotlines of the series), but they became nothing more than a short, underwhelming, handful of unique quests with barely any satisfaction, depth, or true rank-rising. This doesn't mesh well with the lack of reputation. These are primary factors (although there are others such as a lack of spellmaking, even further reduced equipment slots, lesser character creation options, etc.) that leave Skyrim lacking. It feels hollow, the replay value has plummeted, the RPG mechanics barely existent... if there is no longer any reward, recognition, or unique content for playing in any sort of playing style as any sort of character and barely any tools for building the character I want in the first place, anymore (the exception being the basic leveling system), it's just shallow as an RPG.

umm i think thats called Minecraft

Oh, hey. This guy again, the one that's an egomaniac who says everyone's a silly sausage for not loving the game.

It's not about not loving the game, it's about actually posting well thought out, constructive criticism of the game. Some people have actually done this.

90% of the thread complaining about the game aren't that..just the usual trolling and BS.

I am not saying that :/ And whats wrong with loving the game? and if everyone is hating on this game please,why just not move on with your life or try to forget about it..People can hate the game if they want to.

So you intend to keep this thread alive for another four years in the hopes the devs will listen to you. Then, when the next game is released and you're disappointed by that because they're not going to listen to you, you'll just start a new complaint thread?

You've offered no constructive critism and no valid complaints. You're putting more effort into a game you don't like than most people who enjoy playing it. Any other rational person would have just realized their mistake and maybe thought it through before buying the next game.

The game is not being dumbed down, completely laughable statement. Sure we lost some RPG elements but those elements caused a lot of Oblivion's problems and Morrowind's problems too, "Oh no I need to focus on Endurance for my Mage because he keeps getting killed due to level scaling". Attributes are nice but when Skills are more important and are basically the same thing as attributes, why do we need them in the 1st place.

Oh man.

Yes, they have taken away things from previous games in the series. But they have added so much. The game is still a deep, rich, expansive RPG experience. Losing some armor slots and spellmaking is no big deal. Attributes? Who cares? The perk system is brilliant. You can customize your character in a numerous amount of ways. Birthsigns? Who needs them with standing stones? Standing stones are better anyway because you can switch them out when you feel like it. For everything they remove from the series, they make at least one other thing better, and add about 10 things on top of that.

I mean comon. I just had Mjoll the Lioness from Riften follow me for a quest. She commented how when she was younger, her and her father went on hunting expeditions into Morrowind. She said the cliff racers made for excellent sport. I mean, COME ON! How can you not love that? What TES game has ever given us that kind of immersion?? Then as I leave the cave, it's now daylight out, and I stand on the side of the mountain and overlook a vast valley for a good minute or 2, and watch a dragon flying a few miles in the distance, and I'm hearing the beautiful, emotional music playing as I'm watching this. This game is just flat out amazing. You don't get that type of immersion anywhere else.

I'll gladly take what they've created with Skyrim. The game is perfect to me.

I don't think Skyrim is an empty shell at all.
I told a non-gamer friend to start listing random activities from life, and it took him about ten tries before he listed something you can't do in skyrim (smoke weed; but there is skooma)

When I think 'empty shell', I think sparkling graphics with a super simplistic plot and limited character options/development. Not only is Skyrim's plot interesting, but gamers are divided on which side to take, which side is just. Many people still haven't decided. I've seen 40 page threads devoted to the Imperial/Stormcloak/Thalmore discussion. Oh yeah, and the developers threw in a set of well-written, informative books- ya know, in case you find the time to read them (I will).

I'm probably coming off as a fan*** here, and that's accurate, because I am.
but let's take a look at what Skyrim has to offer. What components make up this "empty shell" of a game:

-stunning landscapes/scenery (with few limitations on where you can venture)
-ability to interact with everything in environment
-interesting, ambiguous plot (w/ literature)
-a level-up/perk system that feels natural
-the ability to travel solo, or have a multi-species entourage
-fun, intuitive combat (sometimes clunky, but usually enjoyable)
-ability to be whoever you want. Sure, you can fulfill you destiny to become the heroic Dragonborn- but if you crumble under pressure, you can become a drunk at the Winking Skeever, or a farmer in the rural countryside (ok, so you can't technically own farmland, but you sure as heck can spend every waking hour wherever you choose, and if it's with the chickens then so be it.)
-varied characters -likeable characters, bland characters, eccentric characters, evil characters, back-stabbing characters (I'm talking to you Al-Jazeem lighthouse mothaf******) The voice acting is far too limited and half the men sound the same, but the NPC appearance and dialogue is quite varied: some characters I want to befriend, some characters I want to kill, and some characters I want to bone. The truth is here my friends.

Frankly, I consider Skyrim the greatest video game ever made. Looking beyond nostalgia and technological developments, Skyrim is simply the most complete video game package; the magnum opus of the gaming world.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but that's what Skyrim does to me. It makes life feel bigger and better than it was before. Skyrim is a hell of a place to visit.
I recommend taking a trip back in time and playing some of these "better" games you speak of. I think you'll find yourself back in Whiterun sooner than you think.

Have you played Skyrim? This happens in Skyrim more than it does in any previous TES game.

He's reposting because the other threads fill up. If there isn't any legitimate discussion these will die on their own. There are obviously people who agree which is why the topic lives.

Me personally: Skyrim is a fantastic action game with RPG elements

It's a so-so RPG with action elements.

I suppose it depends on what you bought the game for.

Uh we only have 3 attributes not 8 so yeah Health is going to be selected by default more often.

to the OP -This thread is spiraling out of control. Please stop the trolling before it's to late.

I for one support this thread. I don't hate Skyrim, but Skyrim is severely lacking in many areas including magic, factions, dialogue options, companion interactions, birthsigns, and an attribute system. I don't like features being progressively stripped from the series, so I hope others post their distaste for cut features in the hopes the developers will stop cutting and/or add more features back.