At the beginning of the game, it was said that you were captured around Darkwater Crossing, trying to "cross the border"

But take a look at where in Skyrim is Darkwater Crossing:

http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/7/72/Darkwater_Crossing_Map.jpg

As you can see, it's smack dab in the middle of Eastmarch. Not exactly in the middle as Throat of The World, but is still quite far from the closest "border", which is the mountains to the east that borders with Morrowind

It is not even the closest area to the said mountains: there is Shor's Stone, which is closer, and is still quite far from Darkwater Crossing

Darkwater Crossing is also awfully far from Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, and High Rock

At this point, it's certain that "Darkwater Crossing" is by no means near any border. When the character arrives at Darkwater Crossing, s/he had already crossed the border. Especially if s/he's a Breton/Redguard coming from High Rock/Hammerfell

The only way to justify Darkwater Crossing as a border is if you count the character as coming from Morrowind. Pehaps to see first hand of Vvardenfell

So, what gives?

The problem wasn't that you crossed the border it was that you where found with the stormcloaks.

Lets put this way for this game, the devs were drunk half the time. So 90 percent of the game doesn't make sense, but there are dragons, so its OK, right?! Right?!!

No.
The problem was you were crossing the border with the horse theif (illegal immigrantion), and were put in the same carriage as Ulfric who was captured at Dark Water Crossing.

you were found with ulfric though. So Top kills is correct.

The problem is not that we were found along with the Stormcloaks. The problem is that we were told that we were trying to cross the border, and we unluckily ended up meeting the wrong guys at the wrong place

But, as you can see, the place where we were found is not in any way near any border

Raes.... consider that enlisted personnel ("grunts") really never get anything but orders. They don't know anything but "go here, do this, do that, shovel crap, go home". So while your toon may be perfectly aware that she was nowhere near ANY border, the enlisted grunts have other opinions.... not to mention orders.

Okay.... that's specious. Sorry....

None of this was the problem...the problem was taht we were put up against a seemingly flawed plot device!

I think with imagination u can create your own story

IF you were given the chance to create your own story, why then the line "You were trying to cross the border, with that horse theif over there."

(As an example) They could have said, "You were out wandering around Darkwater Crossing. But before they captured you, they caught that horse theif over there." <------this would have been more flexiable and make sense.

Ralof was never specific about how he found out you were "trying to cross the border." He could've just made an assumption about how/why you were really caught, which is left up to the player to fill.

Yep, it's pretty dumb that they didn't bother to look at where their borders were before writing this line.

Thing is, the writers of a game and the makers of the game are not always the same people and sometimes have only the most minimal communication skills. You'd think a writer could, you know, actually converse, but that's not the case.

And that's true too - TES actually LIVES on the "you heard this" sort of "fill"....

Where is it ever said you were found at Darkwater? I never heard that.

Of course, it could also be a possibility that the charges are complete bunk.

Who says that when you woke up it was JUST after you had been caught? Maybe it was days since then? You were arrested because you were found near the Stormcloaks just like the horse thief was, Not saying that you were with them, but not saying that you werent either, i assume leaving it open so that you can RP that you were actually a Stormcloak with them (Though you still have to join, and everything but, Yeah)

If when you woke up you were JUST caught, then you were walking around Helgen, and is there any legitimate reason for Ulfric to be around Helgen with just a handful of bodyguards?

Not trying to be that guy, but your logic cannot be comprehended. You seem to try to undermine my logic, but you're actually making my case?

Only thing close to a border there is the border of 3 holds. Whiterun, the rift and the eastmarch.

At that point, you're not really crossing the border, just moving around. I assume "borders" to be provincial borders, with papers required to go between them and such

Where

is it said


you were captured near Darkwater?

Precisely. "You were trying to cross the border, right?" It's an assumption on his part. He doesn't really know why you were in the area.

How or why it was supposed to be near Darkwater Crossing, who knows. I'm with Echonite, I don't remember hearing that place specified. It's nowhere near the provincial border.

Seriously, the charges against you could be completely made up.

Dark Water crossing may simply be the nearest landmark to the border Ralof is aware of, its probably more signicant then the various caves.
Additionally when you meet Ulfric he recognizes you and ASSUMES you have a criminal past. This could imply the Empire had other reasons for arresting you.

Ralof mentions that you were caght there, with Imperial forces outnumbering the Stormcloaks 5 to 1. Ulfric ordered his forces to surrender, so they wouldnt waste their lives. And lets try and not get started on that whole bit.

I never assumed my character was hanging out with Ulfric and a horse thief when all three of us were caught and sent to execution. I figured I was crossing the border, got caught. The horse thief was stealing a horse, got caught, and Ulfric was leading a rebellion and got caught. Then the three of us were put on a carriage and sent to Helgen for execution.

That's why, you know, they were all talking like they didn't know each other in the intro.