Ulysses Theory

Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:19 pm

I'm probably wrong, but from what I've seen, there hasn't been an actual confirmation that Ulysses and the Courier actually fight EACH OTHER. Possibly, they are fighting something else? i don't know, this theory was a lot more elaborate in my head.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:37 pm

I'm probably wrong, but from what I've seen, there hasn't been an actual confirmation that Ulysses and the Courier actually fight EACH OTHER. Possibly, they are fighting something else? i don't know, this theory was a lot more elaborate in my head.



These are two in game quotes. Considering they could be seen as spoilers but they're vague enough that no one would know what these are spoiling, I simply won't mention WHERE these quotes come from:

The battle between the two couriers, beneath the torn skies and the Old World flag... each bearing a message for the other.


The Divide, where the two messengers, the two couriers, fought beneath an ancient flag, at the edge of the world.

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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:30 am

To be honest I'm not getting that vibe....

Alot of what Christine said in dead money implied that there was some bad blood between the two couriers.

In fact my theory is alot of that hate has to do with whatever happened in the divide. Maybe something happened there that caused the divide in the first place and ulysses to hate you.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:48 pm

I stand corrected. Apparently the two couriers are going to, indeed, fight. I'm interested to see why they have a fued though
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:58 am

I believe or bet that Courier 6 getting shot in the head gave him amnesia that made him forget what he was or why he and Ulysses have bad blood.

I bet we will find out that they are more than just couriers. Maybe both are ex remnants (Enclave) who escaped Navarro. Perhaps each are brothers and heirs to the enclave.

Maybe they were experimented on and each has a secret power that counteracts the others power.

Perhaps they are both part cyborg and each is programed to find the other.

Maybe they were enclave each of them is hiding a secret that they started whatever disaster created the divide
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:31 am

I believe or bet that Courier 6 getting shot in the head gave him amnesia that made him forget what he was or why he and Ulysses have bad blood.

I bet we will find out that they are more than just couriers. Maybe both are ex remnants (Enclave) who escaped Navarro. Perhaps each are brothers and heirs to the enclave.

Maybe they were experimented on and each has a secret power that counteracts the others power.

Perhaps they are both part cyborg and each is programed to find the other.

Maybe they were enclave each of them is hiding a secret that they started whatever disaster created the divide


Nice trolloling.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:14 pm

Nice trolloling.

Sorry did not know this was trolling. What am I doing that is trolling I just thought this stuff up. So it is not in the game.

What did I do that was trolling
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:16 am

Ulysses HAS to have pre-war ties, the fact that his flag is the Commonwealths of the US flag is a GIANT hint. More than likely he used other factions to meet his ends or gain info, he could be trying to restart the US in some way. We could be going to a old military installation in the Divide that was the "last hope" for humanity
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:46 pm

Don't worry people all the answers will come "Soon" Tha word :D
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:14 am

Ahh Ulysses, the dreadlock sporting mystery man.

He was the other courier that was suppossed to deliver the chip right? Didn't he drop the job because he heard about you or something?

Does that mean he wanted the courier dead, knowing it was practically a suicide mission or something, so he gave the job up for the courier to take?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:26 am

I believe or bet that Courier 6 getting shot in the head gave him amnesia that made him forget what he was or why he and Ulysses have bad blood.

I bet we will find out that they are more than just couriers. Maybe both are ex remnants (Enclave) who escaped Navarro. Perhaps each are brothers and heirs to the enclave.

Maybe they were experimented on and each has a secret power that counteracts the others power.

Perhaps they are both part cyborg and each is programed to find the other.

Maybe they were enclave each of them is hiding a secret that they started whatever disaster created the divide


There's one flaw with the Ex Remmants theory, the courier could be 19 years old which means that he or she wasn't alive when the Enclave was in control of Navarro.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:33 pm

Sorry did not know this was trolling. What am I doing that is trolling I just thought this stuff up. So it is not in the game.

What did I do that was trolling


It's just that your idea did come off as a bit absurd. For one, the Enclave Remnants that are already in the game *somewhere* would recognize you (not to mention you are NOT that old, seriously). Another, is that Josh Sawyer has said "Just a quick clarification: your character does not have amnesia or any sort of memory loss.". Yet another, you can play a female and a race that isn't black, and therefore you are not brothers. Lastly, the Enclave has been done to death in this series and Ulysses and the Courier being cyborgs would make me vomit out of my nose.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:23 am

It's just that your idea did come off as a bit absurd. For one, the Enclave Remnants that are already in the game *somewhere* would recognize you (not to mention you are NOT that old, seriously). Another, is that Josh Sawyer has said "Just a quick clarification: your character does not have amnesia or any sort of memory loss.". Yet another, you can play a female and a race that isn't black, and therefore you are not brothers. Lastly, the Enclave has been done to death in this series and Ulysses and the Courier being cyborgs would make me vomit out of my nose.

They could be "blood brother" or adopted brother's, though unlikely.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:25 am

psh, its obvious Ulysses found the courier's wallet, he just wants to return it for him, when the courier receives it he finds his/her money isn't all there. They argue about it, without a high enough speech skill you get into a fist fight to reclaim your caps...probably
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:07 pm

Spoiler
Joshua Said that he was expecting a courier, except it wasn't us. Apparently The other Courier was working for Caesar to kill Joshua seeing as how all the other assassins were killed.

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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:59 am

Maybe he's from the past and so are you, but you weren't supposed to come to the future.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:09 am

psh, its obvious Ulysses found the courier's wallet, he just wants to return it for him, when the courier receives it he finds his/her money isn't all there. They argue about it, without a high enough speech skill you get into a fist fight to reclaim your caps...probably


Best one I've heard yet.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:05 am

What if The Divide is a divide in space and time that actually goes back to before the war?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:17 am

petty buisness rivalry blown way out of proportion.

That is all :obliviongate:
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:14 pm

Maybe he's from the past and so are you, but you weren't supposed to come to the future.

No seems way to much far fetched.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:43 am

What if The Divide is a divide in space and time that actually goes back to before the war?

No once again...
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:14 pm

No once again...

Unless your initials are C.A. I'm not exactly taking this as a serious objection.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:56 pm

psh, its obvious Ulysses found the courier's wallet, he just wants to return it for him, when the courier receives it he finds his/her money isn't all there. They argue about it, without a high enough speech skill you get into a fist fight to reclaim your caps...probably

Haha, that's brilliant.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:37 am

Unless your initials are C.A. I'm not exactly taking this as a serious objection.

but why do you so strongly value Charles Andersen's opinion?
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:26 pm

Here's my wacky theory, reposted from another thread in the spoilers section--

Spoiler
Some of the speculation here is pretty extreme.
I think we can safely assume the following to be true --

Ulysses is human. Not a clone, not a cyborg, not an android, not an alien, not from the past or the future. Every major protagonist in this game (except Yes-man and House, to a degree) is a human being. As this is a story about people I doubt this will change.

Ulysses is not a blood relative of the Courier. Our characters can be one of four races; it's unlikely that there will be 4 Ulysses models in the game.

The relationship between Ulysses and the Courier will not be romantic. The game designers will not impose a sixual preference on the Courier.

Ulysses will not be firmly tied to any faction. I may be wrong about this (bearing in mind the 'join Elijah' option in Dead Money); it would be more desirable from a game play perspective to allow equal play time for members of each faction. Also, as a DLC, the story must be playable at any point in the MQ -- it cannot rely on faction loyalty by the player, either.

Okay, here's my speculation.

Ulysses once was a Bighorner rancher in the Mojave. At some point, perhaps after an incident involving the Courier, he leaves to travel the world. Dissatisfied with the factions vying for the Mojave, perhaps after working with one or more (the Legion connection?), he wears the flag of a dead nation on his back.
He explores the Big Empty, performing fairly heroically. He finds a weapon there.
He test detonates this weapon (created under an old world flag) at the spot that will become the Divide [At a strategic point that disrupts the NCR without totally crippling them, maintaining a precarious balance of power].
He maintains a presence in the legion throughout this time, gaining reputation (deserved?) as a Frumentarii assassin.
In Primm, he discovers that the Courier is still alive (was he expecting the Courier to be dead on general principles or did a specific incident lead him to this belief? Remember the 'two bullets' controversy -- was Benny the first person to fail to execute our hard-headed Courier?) and refuses the Platinum Chip delivery. Was this really an act of revenge, or did he want the Courier to get 'sorted out' mentally about the state of the Mojave? Or did he refuse delivery because he feared being recognized by House?
In Lonesome Road (referring to Ulysses's journey?), the Courier is contacted by Ulysses and summoned to the Divide. I believe that Ulysses will attempt to hire or secure the loyalty of the Courier, as a sort of mini-faction, to help him use the Divide Weapon against the enemies of the Mojave. It's a given that, save for a Dead Money-style early ending, the Courier must refuse, either because of the nature of the weapon or because Ulysses is, in fact, unhinged.

Here's an alternate theory -- perhaps Ulysses is just a mercenary and wants to sell the divide weapon -- there may be representatives of each faction appearing in the DLC. That could be fun. Not sure what the Courier's role would be if that is the case.


Eh?
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