The first one. Do not feed.

Their is simply too much junk, and their starting to advertise through use of pop ups which is annoying as hell. And also steam server is a lot slower than some of it's competitors.

"Steam svcks" rants often translate to "I'm mad because I wanted to steal this game" or "I have stolen this game and can't get updates." Often grammar is a tip-off to intent here.

nah Steam svcks often translate too

"I hate it cause I ran into a problem due to user error" which is what 90% of the problems occur. Just like installing mods when you think about it.

From a thread that was on here a while ago, I'm pretty sure Steam doesn't actually stop piracy.

like so many other forms of DRM it screws over us legitimate folk (admittedly to a lesser extent)

Love the Steam Lovers, they just don’t get it. If I don’t want it, I should not have to uses it if I don’t want too. Tell me all you steam lovers, what would happen if steam goes under for whatever reason.... 1. All your games that need steam to run=GONE. 2. They say you only need steam to show you purchased the game by legal means and after that don’t need it you can turn steam off. That lie been found out long ago. I no longer have Internet at home... Yes I am at work writing this on my brake. All my games that need steam to run, quit working 2 week after my internet got turned off... I always get a prompt to connect to steam. Yet can't. So all you steam lovers out there love it, but when it’s gone. All your games that require steam=GONE..... That’s why I went with mostly buying PS3 games again instead of PC Games. No third party BS required to play a game that I paid for and I have a Disk. As long as I have the Disk and the PS3 I can play my game just fine.

Any PC game that Requires Steam= NOT WORKING=LOSS of money even if I own a Disk.=BS

The pop up you get one time and you can permanently disable? What "junk" you have tabs you can click through. Don't want all that "junk" click on My Library. The steam server also is not slow. I DL games while I am at work or over night when they come out. Patches are amazingly fast. Unless you want to risk file integrety and compromise security, you can go dl stuff from a mirror chalk or torrent - have fun with that internet pirate.

Not to be a dike, but pretty Steam encourages piracy and (albeit minute) punishes the honest buyer. If not, please inform me the why/how.

DRM is just an obstacle its not meant to stop piracy but to cut it down some. no system out there will stop piracy hell there is modded PS3 and 360 to the point you can even play MP on some pirated games. But piracy itself is not as large as people make it to be and Valve's apporach to piracy is the best way to stop it or at least have less of it give consumers content worth the price tag and for some reason that is questionable on various games from various publishers/developers

Sounds like the OP would probably enjoy action adventure games a lot more... The reason you will never face 200 bandits is because the engine is not optimized for such battles, yes some of the top end PC's can handle this as already seen on Youtube.

I have i7 920 with 6gb ram and a GTX 460, no where near the best computer but still able to play any game, yet when i spawn 60+ bandits i lag. Can you imagine a console with 60 bandits? It would be great but until Bethesda designs an engine with such battles in mind it is very unlikely we will ever see such a thing.

Fast all you kidding me. Last Skyrim patch was coming at 1kb per second.

Edit: You won't say steam is fast if you have seen what Bioware and EA can do. Also XBox live is much faster than steam as well.

To you. Do you know how many different variables there are that could have caused this? This is a total anecdote that is to be taken with a grain of salt. I love what the one poster said above also about grammar and the anti-Steam crowd, it is so incredibly true.

Download rate also ties into your internet and your server going off of not just because of Steam. if your not on your closest server then you will DL quite slow. But US server that I go to I never 1kb download I at least get 800kb to even 1mb at times

For example right now I am downloading the demo for Darkness 2 I am at a constant 1.5MB per second

I don't believe this crap to be honest, how does it punish the honest buyer? you get all of your games kept in one place, no need to use the CD so it will never get damaged. You are able to talk to all of your friends via chat or mic no matter what game you or he/she is playing. All games update them selves meaning you do not have to search for every update released and manually update your game. Now we have steam workshop where we will be able to create our mods then upload them straight from the CK. Users will be able to download and install said mods with a click of a button.

Hardly a punishment.

Buying DLC for EA games is especially cumbersome. Steam makes it much easier.


I'd say Bethesda were being smart by utilising the Steam network as it helps sales and means they don't need to waste resources making their own DRM. Steam will also be able to help distribute mods soon.

And Origin is not about DRM alone, EA want it to be the next Steam. They too will want published like Bethesda to sell its' games on there. Problem is that unless Origin is overhauled soon it's going to be the next GFWL.

Competition for Steam is no bad thing but it has to be worthy enough to compete. Valve have set the bar very high.

Yes, it just means their host server is simply not good enough. Instead of bagging all the money they been making, maybe they should spend more money on their infrastructure and stop people from complaining.

Their host is fine. Stop using AOL dial-up imo.

Guesswork. I assume you assume a lot.

What.

Cable again peak so far has been 1.7MB

estimated time for a 1,328 MB time for me is 8 minutes so far with 400 already downloaded.

US internet is not the best its quite slow compared to other countries even but I have never once even when the server I am on is full as it was on Skyrim going at 1kb

Well, you can pirate the game and completely bypass Steam's system for one, no need for update? Oh just visit this URL... I don't have many/[censored] if any friends who play TES on anything OTHER than console. They were all done with the game ~2 months ago... sad stuff really for PC user to hear.

Steam =!= mods. That, I think, is pretty simple concept to wrap your head around.

Steamworkshop isn't even released. As I said in my initial post, I don't disagree with steam, merely there are very few (and by that I mean no) advantages to using that software; and in case you missed it in my first post, there ARE advantages to be had AVOIDING it.

Indeed. i read your first post and i pretty much agree with what you said. I also prefer a hard copy of every game. I bought my Skyrim from the shop but at the same time i was glad it used steam.

I just don't agree with the argument that Steam encourages people to pirate games when its advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. Steam has something like 26 million registered users with an average of 4.5 million logged on daily, i see no reason why any game developer would not want their game on Steam. Unless they work for EA of course.

1) I don't want Steam Workshop
2) I've never wanted Steam Workshop
3) Steam Workshop does NOTHING that I need.
4) I'm much more capable of sorting out and installing mods than Steam Workshop. Much, much more capable.
5) Steam Workshop was never for the gamers but always for gamesas. It's a first step towards an internet-based mod configuration utility, which would in principle allow console gamers to use mods. Which means the best PC mods, made by PC gamers, could be made available for console gamers and thus keep console sales alive. Which matters to gamesas because of profit and ONLY because of profit. Ask any PS3 owner how much gamesas cares about gamers beyond the profit.
6) It seems probable that integrating Steam Workshop into the CK has been a delaying factor. Which means we probably could've had the CK already if not for that stupid Steam garbage feature they're insisting on giving us.

Oh, and 7) It's going to be Steamified just like the base game, which means yet another case of moronic Valve-rimjobbing done by gamesas. I don't like Valve, I don't want to help them or support them, I'd personally celebrate if they went bankrupt, and I DON NOT WANT THEIR [censored] CLIENT RUNNING ON MY SYSTEM FOR NO [censored] REASON.

In short, I wish elephantiasis on the profit-hungry bastard who came up with the idea to marry gamesas games with [censored] Steam. They want to make me impotent with respect to my game, I wish the same on them.

Finally, yes, there's everything wrong with useless DRM that does nothing other than annoy the crap out of you, telling you where you game MUST be installed, auto-updating your game without asking, and insisting that a reinstalled game must be updated. Guess what? The pirates don't have all those annoyances. They're playing the same game with the same features (except the Steam features, obviously) and there's no downside. There's literally zero benefit from Steam and there's plenty of drawbacks.

You're funny, but you didn't do your homework very well. Skyrim doesn't have any online features so fooling a server isn't needed at all. In other words, Steam protects Skyrim from piracy about as well you locking your front door protects your car from getting stolen. Take out the link between the Skyrim executable and Steam and there's absolutely no DRM left. I'm fairly sure, without having checked, that Skyrim was available online on release day. Fat lot of good it did to piss on customers by infecting the game with Steam, but at least I'm guessing gamesas scored a profit on it. What's a little bit of urine down my back if gamesas can make more money?

By the way, how's my grammar?

- You will have more things to kill, when DLC gets released.

- The war is over, so your not getting any more battles.

- You can be a Stormcloak, you will have to start a new game and go to Ulfric instead of the General.

- Your not going to face 200 bandits, the game engine wouldn't handle that much.

- We're not getting any Extreme, hardcoe etc...

- Skyrim isn't small, you think its small because the map is small. But really its the same size of Cyrodil in-game

- You aren't going to Morrowind or Cyrodill, we have never got other province DLCs and I highly doubt we ever will...leave it to brand new games, please.

- A normal person can't hold two Claymores, a Daedric Prince maybe.

- This isn't a JRPG, bandits don't fly back 20 ft from an arrow.

- You can make your guy buffer, its called "Weight"

- You can't have a Nord that looks like a God, because gods don't have a psychical appearance as they can choose hower they want to appear(At least in TES)

- They will probably add more Shouts in DLC and there would be no difference between mana and a cooldown.

If it doesn't stop piracy altogether, its certainly not going to "cut it down some". Internet piracy isn't a bunch of masked men breaking into a warehouse and loading trucks with stolen booty, its one guy taking the time to easily patch out the DRM from the game data copy he owns and redistribute it to the "pirates". The hassle caused to customers and the money paid to third party con-men DRM developers results in a fifteen year old kid spending ten minutes to bring down the house of cards.

Edit: I just wanted to make my point a bit clearer. The only people unaffected by DRM are pirates, this is why its hated so much (aside from other more practical reasons). The very people its designed to deter, are those you are entirely and utterly unaffected.