this thread is real.

ok maybe not *caugh* ^ *caugh*

one more thing. how can you be a customer if there is no product. and where did the first Bethesda game come from? BOOM. Here, let me help you pick up the pieces of your mind.

I completely agree with this !!!
Well said
Thanks Bethesda

I never thought of writing to Bethesda about bugs. It's a good idea. I just wrote them an email to let them know about the eyelashes bug that affects male Altmer. Maybe (I hope) they'll fix it now.

all hail the al'mighty gamesas! we are humble servants in your goldy land of skyrim!

I nominate Mr. Treek for head of public relations of Bethesda! frick yeah man!

Agree with the OP. It's one thing to get on a forum with constructive criticisms and talking about the technical issues you're having and stating what the problem is and when it happens, it's another to just get on and complain and threaten and make accusations that Bethesda is deliberatey ripping you off, they'r estupid and they're liars, etc. (and how those who want to give Beth the benefit of a doubt are labelled as fanbois and bootlickers) ...
The former is helpful to Beth and their attempts tro fix things, the latter is not helpful to anyone in the least.

How is it "grovelly"?
The OP paid for the game as much as any of you, and chooses to give Beth the benefit of the doubt, and IMO has a very advlt attitude about it , unlike a lot (but not all) of the complainers do. I also paid the $60 and, yes, I agree that Beth could have handled it better, but I refuse to make a lot of baseless accusations, especially when I have no specific knowledge of the proceeses involved in how a game is made, and I will give them the chance to make things right before I vote with my wallet with the next Beth game.

Agree with you OP, but the problems with the PS3 are inexcusable and shameful, aswell as the UI port to PC.... Great game, but was badly rushed at the last min, it was obvious since Todd looked more nervous with each passing day leading closer to release lol.

I want Bethesda to know that I do not appreciate them using Steam exclusively for the PC version. I play games one time through completely but I totally disagree with Bethesda's tech support reasoning for why Steam must lock me out of buying and selling retail games used for the PC while allowing used sales and even rentals for the Xbox 360 and PS3. I'm playing Skyrim on the 360 now--a used copy. My version is 1.3.5.0. It is unreasonable that Steam will not allow resetting a key code or selling new key codes to sell a retail version used or to play a game bought used without a code. I like and use Steam for many other PC games but I have a rule not to buy unless the current sale price is under $20 since I know I will not recover anything for those games. Pricing your PC games equal to the consoles now only makes matters worse.

If I had to do it all over again I wish I could have waited longer for the Skyrim price to drop below (go on sale again) $20 on Steam while playing other games on the PC and exclusives on the consoles. Skyrim's a magnet though and I broke down waiting. I hope Bethesda does very well with it. I'm looking forward to TES VI already and I haven't finished V!

I'm a game developer and I'm not completely happy with Skyrim.

What now?

I might agree if every other solution to problems wasn't "Wait for the modders to fix it" and "Skyrim took a lot from modder creations in Morrowind and Oblivion" I'm not going to thank a game company for letting a cab driver from denver fix their stuff. Oh and if you think for a second they are not making bank it's pretty easy to look up public records on earning statements.

I don't think Bethesda actually cares that much about me and the others here.

But I do think they care about their creation and how it is perceived. For economical reasons, of course, but there's a lot more than to it than that. Anyone who thinks it's just about the money is an idiot. Things like this aren't created without artistic pride, love of the game, sense of accomplishment, imagination, team spirit, creative talent, ... and all the other human factors that are necessary for a truly good game. Cynicism is sometimes just another form of naiveté.

EDIT: see post below, as a vivid example.

They shipped a rushed, broken game and they should be ashamed of themselves. Don't give me this line about them working Monday through Friday just to fix my bugs. They get paid well for what they do and for what I paid for their game they owe me those bug fixes. Why the PS3 crowd haven't filed a class action lawsuit by now is beyond me.
And as for giving us the CK for free? Dude... what a joke. The CK is the the only hope we have of getting this bug farm cleaned out. Bethesda is basically saying, "Here. You guys fix it." What a bunch of sanctimonious obsequious drivel. Are you an intern at the corporate office or something?

Completely agree. Great post!

Which one? Bylandt's or Skooma_fiend's?

*sighs*

I agree with you with this. I know that NWN did this where they allowed the player access to build and design their own dungeon and areas/maps. While this didn't really cause any extra cash inflow, what it did was allow for a deeper immersion into the game, because it allowed the player him/herself to actually have a chance to exercise that creative spark of "hmm maybe if I made a dungeon with this and a little of that", and bring it to life. I remember many maps that I had created for NwN and shared with my friends. It was just really fun and cool, as well as allowing for a deeper immersion into the "world of" nwn. IF, people don't abuse the available tools(such as make a chest with all uber epic weapons and armor available in the beginning), this has the oppurtunity of allowing for a deeper and much more immersive Skyrim world.

As for the rest of the complaints, yes there are bugs, yes there are issues, and if you look around, yes there are many other games out there, including many well known MMOs that had the same issue. Take for example (I can sense the flaming already for saying this) WoW. When it first came out, it had bugs left and right and issues out of the flaming proverable [censored], and yet, almost 10 years later, they still have them. And they still have people flaming and tisk tisking blizzard, wagging the finger, saying that they should do this or do that. How about instead of complaining about the problem and saying what should be done, why not do something to actually help fix it? Take the time to inform them. Or compile code and graphics to help assist them to fix the current issue. If you can take the time to actually farm through the forums, start new topics just to tear them down, you surely can take that same amount of time to either help fix the issue, or type it to them in the tech support page. I have been a long time fan of bethesida's works, from morrowind to skyrim, and the fallout series. And they have actually been one of the FEW that actually support and try to back the modders and people that try to make things to help improve the game.

Try becoming a successful game developer with a whiny, self absorbed, sad excuse for an audience and repeat your response without laughing.

There are hot topics about used copies, and a lot of people agree that buying used copies is like piracy to the developers..
The only one earning a buck here is the reseller..

lets say game X costs 60$ at release, a part of that will be given to the developer, and a part to the store, lets say GameStop (which is the most currupt gameselling company there is anyways..)

Mr Z gets this and 1 week later he returns it to the store because he beated it and it was boring
Mrs Y wants the game but do not really want to spend 60$ on it
So she gets the used copy for 30$

100% of the 30$ will be given to the reseller, GameStop, and 0$ to the developer..
Edit: even in some countrys, the reseller does not even need to pay taxed for this.

You got your issue explained.
If you pirated a game the same thing happends, the developer do not get any money.

Steam and similar services are a perfect way to prevent reselling and piracy. they are both just as bad.

Did you know how long Skyrim was in development? 6 years.
Its more to a game just to paint some graphics and do some animations..

Bethesda fixed thousands of bugs in Oblivion.
They optimized the game just like they have in Skyrim.

You know, making a game costs milions of dollar,
then shipping it
then giving people their part of the cake
Electricity
Hardware
software
taxes
everything you can think of..
This is a large amount of money that you will never see in your entire life.. just because you develop a game, doesnt mean you earn 20 000 $ per month.. you usually get just as much as anybody else.



-mods: sorry for Doublepost but i think it was needed, i posted two large answers.

God I hate these stupid [censored] posts. Aww, poor Bethesda, getting paid only $600,000,000 (minus lots of costs, but still) for releasing a broken product and then having to put up with a handful of complaints on a forum! Ah, diddums! They must be soooo sad to read the nasty wasty postews!

No. It's a broken product. Still broken 3 months after release. I'm not thanking anyone for a broken product.

Well, Im just going to burst the OP's bubble here, there are parts of skyrim that are plain BROKEN. Not boring, Or not something i personally find enjoyable, Just plain broken. To people who say things like "Bethesda is doing a great job" and " I'd like to see the game you make! LOL." First of all, You don't release a product that dosen't work i don't care how many years said product took you to produce, Or the costs for making said product but you just DON'T sell a product that is objectively BROKEN. My problem isn't that they aren't getting the patches out fast enough, My problem is that they shouldn't of even RELEASED skyrim if it took several months of patching and bug-fixes to simply get it playable without major bugs by most people. Not to mention as a console player, The CK means very very little to me. My suggestion is they simply cut the price on their games if their going to release them early, With several quests and areas being unplayable to some.

The Majority of the players have a functioning game that is not broken.
If you are talking about the PS3 version(i most likely think so), hurray 4 you.. nobody forced you to get the console version anyways.

They had Betatesters, they had AI testing it.
They did not find this problem..

not all Ps3 players got this problem..
most likely, the testers had a brand new PS3 delivered to their house and then they played Skyrim for lets say.. 100 hours?

Hardware starts to get slow 1 year after a daily use
Maybe its not really the game, but the console itself? have this been confirmed?
Maybe the players who got the lag issue got worned out consoles?
we are on the damn edge of the consoles capacity here..

A new console is way faster than a 4 year old used one, nobody can denye this.

You both are saying THE PRODUCT DOES NOT WORK!
But the real issue here is: the product does not work FOR YOU


If you are complaining about the PC/360 platform, well.. maybe thats the same case here as well, your hardware is worned out.

Okay, seriously is anyone really going to say Skyrim svcks??? This is the greatest game I've EVER had the pleasure of playing. Of course it would be REALLY nice if they would check out some of the thread (mine--what I want to see:)) and release some of those ideas as DLC because I play on PS3 so no MODS...Is that too much to ask?