I guess so. I don't see Skyrim as an RPG, it's more of an action-adventure game with tiny RPG aspects.

The whole "OMG I SEE DRAGON MUST GO KILL" appeal of the game sort of worn out its welcome for me. I'd rather have Beth make a Morrowind remake instead.

Skyrim's dialogue is mediocre but dialogue is not what makes an RPG. Beneath a Steel Sky (1994) had great dialogue but since you were playing a preset character with no customisation, it was an adventure game. Skyrim with all its flaws is an RPG since you assume your own role with your own character and develop it. Whether Skyrim is a good RPG, that's subjective.

That won't happen, it would be incredibly awesome if it did though. Skyrim's graphics and combat system with everything else Morrowind. But Skyrim is a good game in its own right. I didn't hype the hell out of Skyrim like I did with Oblivion. I didn't even know about Skyrim until it was 3 months away from release. But the dragon thing isn't what made the game appealing to me, it was just exploring and stuff.

I don't play it much anymore, I played it to the bone.

If someone wants to make yet another tiresome thread about the definition of the term "role playing game," have at it.

However, please do not derail this one by arguing about whether Skyrim fits your particular definition.

The dialogue didn't bother me. What really bothered my was how short the game was. I beat Morrowind and haven't seen half of it. I did about half of the guild quests and quests in general and there was still a ton more left to do

Anyway back on topic. I find it rather hard to believe that Bioware the company that made NWN, NWN2, BG, BG2, is putting out absolute garbage such as Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2.

Yea it's irritating, I don't lurk in Skyrim general discussion anymore.

Dragon Quest VIII is legendary. You need to play it.

I quite like how RPGs have evolved over the years. It's been a fun journey. And I plan to follow the journey as it evolves for as long as I can.

I certainly don't. Everyone is getting on the same bandwagon.

This.

And by the way, thank you. I agree 100%. People compare Morrowind and Skyrim and it gets on my nerves. They are different games in the same series. I don't lurk in Skyrim general discussion anymore because 8 out of every 10 threads is a complaint. Then if I read the posts within the thread, I read all the sayings and Skyrim-plaints that are just kids repeating what they read, like "Skyrim is a mile wide and a foot deep" or whatever.

Sorry, double post.

You're some kind of silly (In mah opinion) if you think they are different Games, REDGUARD is a a different game, BATTLESPIRE is a different game, SHADOWKEY is a different Game. But for the TES series they all follow a formula consistently, to argue they are different games in anything more than mechanics/graphics is some kind of fallacy (to me). you know...being made by the same company...consistently...under the same genre...consistently...set in the same universe, hell the same continent...right down to the very Game mechanics and how stats are handled...I mean really.

If you've an issue with TES games being compared to each other, I say tough cookies because there isn't anything else to resonably compare them to.


As for the Change statement, I'll avoid going into the array of change not being inherently good/bad beneficial/detrimental, the only aspect not being resistant to change is MAYBE less stress on the mind for things that don't need stressing over, but to let the wind blow you down corridors you rather not be, or Obvious "wtf is going on here" I say hypothetical suicide ;p

Guys, stop arguing about Skyrim. We already got a warning from BootySweat.

There's no arguing about Skyrim >_>...just my Opinions on TES in response to his statement >_>...ok I'll stop off topicing

Hmm, someone asked me to Clarify if I meant JRPGs. Honestly? I had no idea there was such a thing.

If there's a distinction between JRPGs and ... what WRPGs? I want no part of it.

A good RPG is good, no matter who made it.

I've been playing Fallout 1 recently. I really like how the tags work. Any advice for a general build?

Ahhh, nostalgia.

It's not really about whether they're "good" or not. Final Fantasy is very different from The Elder Scrolls, Dungeons and Dragons is very different from Mass Effect. Specifying subgenres just makes it easier to know what's being talked about, since there are many people who dislike one type and like another, and getting into whether the genre as a whole is good just leads to pointless clashes like "I don't like type A, so them dying off means RPG's are better than ever."

Witcher 2

Duex Ex HR

Two top notch RPG titles fairly new.

Dues Ex: Human Revolution was a great game. I played it through twice. Once for stealth, and once for action.

That reminds me, I need to get back into New Vegas. I haven't played in a month. I bought the UE and I was on the Old World Blues expansion. NV is one of the greatest RPG's of all time, besides F1 and F2. I was fond of Final Fantasy X, Ahhh the memories.

My friend had a game he was really into...... Chrono Trigger something.

The best I can come up with is the fact that the more 3D and realistic RPGs become, the less room there is for imagination.

My favorite RPGs are still the party-based, turn-based, sometimes icon-based RPGs of the 80s and 90s. Games like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIqN37IUmM&feature=related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KybwxpRQNE&feature=related and the SSI gold box series, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQgd8MO3pOA&feature=relmfu, and eventually Daggerfall which while 3D still leaves plenty of room for the imagination to "fill in the blanks". None of those games have what we'd call "graphics", and Wizard's Crown is icons on overhead maps, but they all have something modern RPGs lack, and the best I can come up for that "something" is that they leave lots of room for the imagination.

SMT: Strange Journey was amazing. I put 90+ hours into it on one playthrough and it's just a handheld game. I didn't even do the New Game+. Such a great investment.

The http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Nostalgia_942574_2117126.jpg, they do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juFZh92MUOY!

The first link should be fixed now.

A lot of people have this feeling. JRPGs are simply not as good as they used to be. There are still good JRPGs made though, and I would say that Radiant Historia (for Nintendo DS) and Xenoblade Chronicles (for Nintendo Wii) are the best from the past ~5 years or so.