I've been on other forums lately, and a big discussion seems to be about how with each additional DLC the level cap will go up by 5. Some people are absolutely furious about this, and they must be pretty mad, to portray their fury on the internet in a way discernible to others.


I personally cant wait to get to level 50. When I get to level 50 I'm going to walk up to a Deathclaw naked, and cockslap it to death.

...And that being not only possible, but propably easy, is exactly that is what people take issue with. NV wasn't exactly a difficult game to begin with, with level 50 a cat sleeping on the keyboard will be a succesful player.

Sorry, some of us old farts still find enjoyment in a challenge. Being able to kill anything by looking at it meanly is just plain boring after the novelty wears off.

Just how long can you have fun playing nudist cockslapper?

EDIT: Another thing is that the increased level cap completely trashes character creation. You don't have to specialize in anything because by level 30 you're already dumping surplus points into skills you don't even use.

Oh gee I'm sorry for liking balance in an RPG.
There is no sense of accomplishment when I can kill everything with one bullet on the hardest setting.
And there's no replayability if my characters all turn into the same gray blob.
Thankfully Old World Blues is gonna let us cap at lvl 30.

cockslap??? You must not have have one if you think it's a good idea to go around hitting deathclaws with it.

If my sig wasnt full I'd make this my signature :laugh:

Edit: On the serious side though. I do feel Obsidian is making a grave error by appeasing the general population as opposed to the fans of the series. Not ALL the fans, but I've seen a good chunk of them vehemently opposed to the idea of Demi-God status at level 30, at Level 50, you pretty much surpassed God level at that point. I understand New Vegas is a game like any other and must pertain to revenue quarters, but still, is it worth breaking the game because a few 16 year olds who want to one hit kill things get their way?

Will I act like the people who join up soley to whine that 'BETHESDA BROKE ____ FIX THIS! I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER GAME FROM YOU!', chances are, once the GOTY Edition comes out, I'll buy it because Obsidian did an amazing story for the game as a whole, both base and DLC. But, is my voice, the voice of a paying customer, just as the 'casual' Vegas player who wants the game to be 1 hit kills, any less valid because I believe it breaks that already fragile chain that held up one of the key points of New Vegas as an RPG, IE Character building?

What?

A new trait that we can select late in game that will A) Cap at 30 if our level is bellow 30 or B) Cap at whatever level we are if we are above 30

OWB will give a trait what allows the player to cap there level at 30 if they wish to (thouhg I do hope it allows players to pick 3 traits now instead of 2)

And for people already mid game they can change it automatically at some point

if already past level 30 while taking this new trait then the player will cap at that level

They better do it, don't see why we who want balance should be locked out of a free trait just cause they had to deliberately break the game with the new caps.
Maybe they could make this trait in a new menu?
So we first pick the other two traits, then we get a new menu and we get to either pick this one or not pick this one.
Win win really.

I still say they should also include an option for slower XP gain (or higher XP requirement for level up atleast, it's a single game setting change for crying out loud!).

Look on the bright side. In the future when you play with a brand new character, you won't have to go around the wasteland chasing every single skill book because you'll basically have more points than you need.

Balance is the main reason or lack there of after all the DLC's and +5 level caps. Don't get me wrong I can't wait to get to 50 but it's going to get boring when I reach that mark.

I can't wait for level 50 because i absolutely hate game balance in my rpg and i want an uber super master king alpha male god chuck norris queen brute as my main guy /sarcasm :facepalm:

I don't understand why everyone is complaining. Didn't they say that you could put a cap level on yourself if you wanted to?

I can't speak for everyone else, but my stance is that the player shouldn't have to handicap themselves to balance the game. New Vegas as it is, is hardly a challenge at level 30, it's no challenge at all at level 40, and this is to say nothing of level 50.

New Vegas is an RPG, becoming a wasteland god shouldn't be an option at all. Each different player character should have strengths and weaknesses, and if it's possible to become a jack of all trades then you may as well have made the game a first person shooter from the start. Giving an optional perk that caps the player at level 30 is hardly consolation. We shouldn't need that perk in the first place.

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What he said. And there is already too many skillpoints at level 30.

I'd like to pointout the hit point formula for new vegas
95 + (Endurance x 20) + (Lvl x 5)

A level fifty character has only 100hp more then a level thirty. That isn't a huge leap in power. By level 30 you can already have the skills and perks necessary to exel in one or two modes of killing. By level fifty you could have the skills in perks necessary to exel in one or two more styles of combat. I don't think your actually going to be much more powerful. But instead of killing with guns and unarmed you can add explosives and energy into the mix.

The weaponry exists to harm a high level character, hell the weaponry exists to utterly slaughter you. Tri-beam laser rifles, Brushguns, anti-material rifles, missile launchers.
Imagine having six vipers up on a ridge (each with 3 ranks in demolitions expert) and maxed explosives firing grenade rifles.

It won't be having 10 additional perks, a couple hundred more skill points and another 100 additional hit points that unbalances the game.

It will be the perks and goodies those DLC's add that make the difference.

A level fifty character with only the perks and equipment available in the base game won't be as powerful as a level thirty character who has access to all the equipment and rewards from the DLC.


The OP asked what the big deal was with level fifty.

Yeah, you are already king of the wasteland at level 30.

What bothers me more than anything is not that you can get to level 50, but the difficulty of the game does not increase to warrant such a player. Seriously if New Vegas were any bit more settled, it would be purely an action game and not a post-apocalyptic game. I shouldn't have to run two mods to make the game challenging cause the designers were too concerned about writing a story about warring factions that practically don't fight each other in real time.

i like 100 skill tree's so to me u can cap it at 100

This is how I feel as well.

You see, the whole point of balancing a game is to insure that player characters cannot just stomp all over everything once they reach a certain level. While a L30 or L35 character is already quite powerful, there are still foes than can, and will, kill you if you're not careful; a L50 character, on the other hand, has so much more at his or her disposal that said formerly difficult combat mostly becomes a joke. That the DLCs keep introducing powerful equipment only the player has access to does not help, since this just widens the gap between player and NPCs.

There's also the perk issue to consider. At the current level cap of 40, one gets 20 perk picks; by this point you are probably starting to pick perks for a second weapon skill, since you already have what you need for your primary one, while with the old cap of 30 you got 15 picks and would have to give up pretty much all non-combat choices to get more than one weapon skill's perks in. The addition of even more perks from 441-50 means that you'll be able to master pretty much everything at once, which kills character diversity and removes the 'Role' part of Role Playing Game.

Now, if there was a way to rebalance the creatures/NPCs such that they would still be a challenge for a L50 player while not turning them into walls of HP then we wouldn't be so upset, since there would be an actual reason to get to such a high level. As things are, though, the only reason to do so is to become a 'master of everything', and that gets old, quickly, at least for us.

Bring back the Super Mutant Overlord. Quatruple the amount of ghouls and mutants in the wasteland. Quintuple the amount of NCR/Legion troops in the wasteland with more Rangers and more Centurians.

Much more respawning of enemies. The amount of Fiends x150 spread across the wasteland.

That should do it. Just make the wasteland into a "wasteland".

Some just want every fight possible to be a good fight. It can get kinda hard to find these fights often when you have 40+ levels of skill points and perks. At least with the items in the DLCs the player has the option of not using them. The new trait in the OWB DLC just grants players the option of not useing the extra levels and perk slots.

Well, the Mojave wasteland is not really wasteland, but a frontier. Like Wild West back when, which has heavily influenced the game.

Legion are the indians :hehe:

I think every time you level up it takes a perk off you kinda Benjamin button style But i think in terms of gameplay balance level 20 is perfect (like good ol fallout 3 ) your strong in areas but not in every one like 30 and beyond.