EDIT: I edited the poll.

This game is worth $60.00 considering the content.
No I don't feel ripped off. It is still a better game than most.

I have two major problems with this game, which cause me to "fallout" of the game pretty fast.

1) the radio is... just completely unfinished. Wayne Newton ROCKS! (Tell me New Vegas, have you ever told someone you loved them when it really wasn't true? Sure ya have, but ya shouldn't... PURE GOLD!)

but where's the music?
There are like four or five songs. I'm going insane. I've got spurs that jingle-jangle, johnny guitar play it again, kick in the head, jingle-jangle, blues by the number, spurs again. I can't use the radio anymore. I mean we need at least 20 songs minimum or the option to add our own songs. but, you know what, that is a minor problem compared to the next problem.

2) There is no action.

There is nothing like, for example, the germantown PD (Fallout 3).
I haven't finished the game yet, but I went from goodsprings hoping to find some action. I wanted to shoot some stuff before I got into the RPG elements. I was all the way to the lucky 38 Casino and done with it... still no action (No dungeons with baddies, turrets, landmines, robots in closets, or raiders waiting to kill me.)

So, that is where my previous comment came from. I was expecting to find some intricate buildings with a lot of traps and deadly foes, there is none of that. I had high hopes for the prison... a real shame.

For example, the supermarket near megaton was an awesome dungeon!
The school outside of Vault 101 was awesome!
the subways were AWESOME! (So much so that another game company made an entire game copying that idea - Metro 2033). It would have been really nice to have been actually able to use some of the lines though.

I love the way Bethesda designs their levels. They are always multi-tiered. If you keep pushing you find that there is a lot more to the building than you expected, and there is not much of that in this game. The buildings in New Vegas are TOO SMALL and the traps / secrets are fewer. There are a lot of cool things about this game, things that I wish were in Fallout 3, but I would not trade the action of Fallout 3 for the intricacy of New Vegas. I don't understand why they can't be both in one game. Hopefully that is what Fallout 4 will be. I'd be completely fine with Fallout 4 being written by Oblivion as long as Bethesda designed all the levels, traps, secrets, and enemies. I'm sure Obsidian could do it, but they didn't for some reason.

I decided to stop playing my first game around level 14 and start over. I wasn't having any fun. I felt I was probably already half way through the main quest with about 1,000 lbs of items and not a single dungeon/level/building/etc to use them in. Having a high science score in New Vegas is pretty much the same as God Mode.

This time (second play) I took a long time to leave Goodsprings and although there is no real dungeon there (the schoolhouse is pitiful, 1 room). I still found a lot of hidden treasure in the surrounding area, which was pretty cool. I also found the dialogue to be more congruent than I originally thought. It does make sense, but they hit you with a LOT of dialogue at the beginning which is fine, but I wasn't prepared for that. Also, I skipped the tutorial last time, but this time I played through it and found that it actually was more like an intro quest, not a plain tutorial. It was definitely worth it to do and it wasn't boring. I also found at least five really cool secrets in and around Goodsprings. So, I feel a lot better about the game now, but the one thing that really svcks about it is the modest action. Everything else seems to be on par or better than Fallout 3. However, where's the beef?
Where's the tension?

Where's the "oh [censored], I've got 2 frag grenades, 1 bottlecap mine and fifteen pieces of junk, my gun is a POS, and there are five raiders, a turret, and a robot on the first floor... and there are four floors.

The lack of action is a real problem. I'm desperately wanting to spend a few hours slowly navigating one large complex full of traps and baddies, but I know that I'm not going to find it. I think that the best I can do is to wear opposing factions clothing into a camp and just start shooting, but all that is going to be is a bloodbath. That is a fair compromise, I suppose, for the additional RPG features that Fallout 3 didn't have. However, Oblivion had at least as deep of a role playing experience as New Vegas AND and major dungeons and action. So, there isn't any good reason why New Vegas is lacking the action.

Yes, there are a lot of cool things in this game versus F3. Love the Mojave Express and the shipments, weapon crafting and items are far, FAR, superior, the dialogue and voice acting is SUPREMELY better (thank God for more than 5 voices acting the whole game). The clothing choices, world design, factions... those are all welcome changes (but honestly, that is nothing that Bethesda hasn't had before in Oblivion... for some reason F3 was lacking a lot of the RPG that is in this game and now NV is lacking the action, wtf?)

I feel like oblivion was a complete game, but neither F3, nor NV are complete games. Together, the two make a complete game, but it really is no good having F3 lacking the RPG elements and having F:NV lacking the action. Why?

I hope that the DLC ads something along the lines of a Germantown PD, or the Brotherhood outcast building, or the Bethesda Complex from Fallout 3. Those places were a blast! (literally).

Please don't tell me that this kind of game making is what we have to look forward to in TESV, a la Rockstar Games which release 1 good game a decade and then cripples the first game so they can sell three more games with a slightly improved feature list. This is pretty much the last game design studio that I know of that I would buy an RPG game at launch from. BioWare can kiss my behind after ME2.

There is Id, Valve, and Bethesda. Those are the only studios I even think of purchasing tittles from on day one. I thought that the reason that these three produce a game once every five or six years is because when they do it is the real deal, full, complete, done. I hope that is still true.

Fallout New Vegas is a good buy.
I just hope that the further splitting of the FPS/RPG elements is not a sign of things to come. That is moving in the wrong direction!

One of the most biased polls I've ever seen on here, the only option to say you're satisfied with the action in this game on the poll is to say you're an Obsidian really devoted fan...

TL; DR
Same old rant, no action, i am bored from the looks of it.

Not a good poll selection, I loved FO .N.V but fallout 3 was Meh.

This game is good, great even. There is lots to do and lots of things to kill. In fact I am pretty confident when I say this.
You can go from level 1-20 (maybe even 30) easily by just killing and exploring and never doing any quests.

Have you found the legendary fire gecko? what about all the unmarked caves? How many night stalker groups have you run into? I have found at least three, and I have yet to reach novac.

Did you know there was a super mutant master fairly close to good springs? what about primm pass, ever been there? prospectors saloon? its full of bad guys at first but clear it out and come back and a merchant and other npcs come back.

How you found the notes from the dead guy who wanted to be a ghoul? what about camp searchlight?

Yeah sure if you take the explorer perk and see these places it might seem silly and you never got there, but almost every single little area I have went to had some kind of neat side story. Maybe the game didn;t come out and tell you it, but its there.
You have to do some looking, and some figuring and maybe use your brain, but the sweet stuff is here. More than FO-3 ever had.

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I went back and read what you typed.
Its VERY, VERY clear that you have
1) never gotten of the beaten path
2) Never been to any vault worth going to
3) Never been to cotton wood cove crater
4) Rushed the game
5)Railroaded your self.

I don't get this "no action" mantra. I was getting my ass handed to me repeatedly early in the game from straying off the road. There are enemies everywhere.

To me it sounds like you are bummed more about the lack of big dungeons. I guess I get that but I, personally, don't feel that way. I hated the ridiculously repetitive subways in FO3. There are big dungeons in NV, just less of them. Have you hit up the vaults yet?

You have missed a lot if you have been focusing on the story only buddy....

Most of the lacking action scenes are not really included in the main story,

If you want this action, your gonna have to look around. I have encountered many interesting dungeons and levels where I was outnumbered 1/15 ( on each floor gaining more enemies) with only a small firearm and certain amount of shots...

Action is in the game, and I think your current opinion is not very factual considering you have not completely explored the entire Mojave and traveled to some of the most intense action scenarios you would want out of this game.

My opinion? Put another 60 hours of game play not centered around the story... See what that gets you....

This.

Stuff was trying to eat my face every 50 yards from Goodsprings to the Strip. (And frequently, it succeeded.)



....but I will say, that, yes - I miss the bigger, multi-room, multi-zone "dungeons". There have been a few (some of the vaults especially), but most of the enterable locations seem a bit small. And I think that may be one of the big differences between Obsidian and Bethesda - Obsidian does more interesting NPCs and main quest. Bethesda does better world-building & fluff. (The main quest and NPCs in FO3 were kinda sad. But the random locations were amazing. Between the terminal texts, the diaries, the odd and interesting arrangements of clutter.... that stuff was great.)

i do miss the random dynamic encounters hotspots..

Where's the option that says that we thought there is plenty of action???? Just get to the Battle of Hoover Dam and you'll see what I mean.

Biased poll is biased.

i miss the places liek the school the super market and the subway systems, those my favorite types of places to explore.

when i 1st heard about new vegas i truly was hoping to be able to explore a big run down city in nevada with a hidden underground type of "strip" that we see on the surface. I was underwhelmed by alot in this game. And if im forced to pay dlc to get what is missing i dont think ill ever go back to dlc again, ill just keep downloading mods to expand the experience. At least modders can give me an experience without demanding a fee for it.

I actually thought FO3 had too many dungeons. There were so many random buildings that were full of dudes it felt a little much, and the subway system was my least favorite thing ever, and you had to use it just to get around the DC Ruins with any real speed.

New Vegas still has a lot of dungeons though, but they are mostly incorporated into the side quests this time around. When I said that FO3 had too many dungeons, I mean I never really felt the need to explore most of them at all. Now with NV there's some sort of quest and reward that's tied to exploring the building full of robots ("That Lucky Old Sun"), instead of "Oh hey, there's like 20 more buildings like this so go to them too if you feel like it I guess."

Erm not going to vote but have a problem with something you said. Metro 2033 is not inspired by Fallout 3's metro system it's based on the book of the same name. You either didn't realise this or did and are just trolling

Cool story bro.

You missed a few options for the poll, here they are:
No
This poll svcks
I don't know what gameplay is
This thread is pointlessly absorbing bandwidth which could be saving children in Africa
I cant believe i just wasted thirteen minutes of my life reading that entire post

Well, that's good enough for now. My only suggestion for you is to get the Explorer perk because there are many "dungeons." it baffles me that this is such a priority for you since story has always been the driving force behind Fallout along with immersion. This was never touted as a dungeon crawler.

i guess the thing i miss from fo3 is the very simple places that you would associate each town with. Like megaton, after leaving i would immediately head out to the school next to it, or the supermarket, those were places i felt belonged there that i associated megaton with.

With goodsprings theres what...the cemetery? with like 3 bloat flies. immediately your hit with a lack of exploration in NV. But while you are missing that exploration its made up by the amount of options given to proceed along, either with dialogue or who you side with.

This might not be a problem with the game itself, but rather the storyline and the setting, as its situated in a desert, a vast area of nothingness, and i congratulate them for putting so much in such a place. But i really felt underwhelmed when getting to vegas, as if there needed to more, like the outskirts of the city needed to have more exploration, as if the place needed to have more content. i mean just look at whats outside the camp under vegas, the fiends area is so empty, just a couple of collapsed buildings with some fiends situated here and there.

I believe they need to add another section to this game. like a huge underworld beneath new vegas. one that would have connecting areas all throughout the outter parts and even innerparts of vegas, and i dont mean the tiny sewer system they have, i mean something huge. Like putting an old government evac site underneath vegas, that would be able to house every single citizen that has apparently been sealed off at certain points since either raiders/fiends/other crap has taken the place over. and it would have multiple avenues to travel through.

i mean just an idea........[censored] it im gonna get started on it as a mod

Im gonna call the place, the old vegas evac. or something like it.

Stopped reading right there, the Metro 2033 book was published in 2005. Way before Fallout 3. And Metro 2033 had been running as an interactive experiment since years before it was published.

Get your facts straight before making such claims.

On topic though, I think that, apart from some bugs and issues, this game is awesome. The balance of RPG and action seems pretty good to me.

I am one of those people who can log into F3 and just wander around for an hour or two game time. I know that there will be a fight if I look for it, or if I need caps, or if I just want to go cull some raiders.

FNV is a good game, no question in my mind on that, and my buggy experience aside, I'm enjoying it. But it feels like it lacks ambience, I suppose.

Sure, the dynamic of the various factions is great, if you look at it in detail (and especially if you compare it to what's happening around the world in a lot of places today), but there's no sense of desolation, or desperation, or more simply put - no sense of survival.

In F3, you could go gunning for raiders or other sorts out in the Wastes and feel good about it, because those settlements were struggling to scraqe a living and doing it hard. In FNV, most of the commoner factions are just annoying, even if they have their place in the game society.

I guess there's no real urge to do anything in FNV. In fact, I even found myself hanging around casinos gambling to fill in the time...until I got banned.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brahmin_Steak

I think the poll is fine. If you like the game how it is then I don't care why you like it - you like it and that is all I need to know. If you miss the action, and many do, then I want to know - to what degree you miss the action. Enough to not play the game? Enough to not buy another like this one? Etc. It is pretty simple and as usual, some people just can't stand criticism. Don't be so childish and start calling people names. Make a point if you have something to say.

I love the "no one will take you seriously" comments. That is the second one I've received. Oxymoronic or just moronic?
People who don't take someone seriously, but write a comment... ok.

Poll shows that a lot of people miss the action, but by varying degrees. you can think of the options as 1-10 agree/disagree. Most people seem to understand the poll just fine. Enough about the poll.

I agree with some of the people so far. The game's design makes is... sparse.
As many other's have noted there is no one in the casinos, the area surrounding Vegas is desolate, empty, and Vegas itself is like 4 or 5 buildings which look big on the outside, but are actually VERY small. Besides that, there isn't anything much to do in the buildings. Freeside is a total waste of time. The entire Freeside is simply a long errand run. It's crap.

Apparently, this game (NV) is all about dialogue which I do find pretty damn boring when that is a game in its entirety. It reminds me of KOTOR II, which I couldn't stand more than 20 minutes of. The more I see of Obsidian, the more I really don't like Obsidian or their games and I think the only reason I enjoy this game is because it is on the framework of Bethesda's Fallout 3. And, I don't care what Bethesda's next Fallout game is called or if it is or is not a traditional Fallout game. New Vegas needs more action, more trickery, surprise, danger.

It doesn't matter if Metro 2033's story was inspired by the book, the video game was definitely inspired by Fallout 3. (as was the title music in Riven, as an interesting side note.)

I suppose I would absolutely hate this game if it was made by Obsidian. I'm really glad that Bethesda has the rights to the series because they are making 4 and that will be good, I'm sure. Also, I think it is funny how people cry about a series that was dead, by a developer that has been chided for being one of the laziest and most unable, but then say that F3 was horrible. Your lovely Fallout games were so impressive that the developer died when PC piracy was low. If Fallout stayed as Obsidian or Black Water or whoever wanted it, then it'd still be dead.

I really think I am giving this game way too much credit and glossing over its serious lack of fun because I liked F3 so much, but hey, whatever. I'm glad that you Obsidian people like this game so much. I really am. I'm also glad that the next one will not be so empty, or so full of dialogue.

I guess we all have a game to love now.

So considering you put the positive message as '(I love Obsidian and am an outright Obsidian Fan Boy.)' does that mean you should have put the negative messages as '(I love Bethesda and am an outright Bethesda Fan Boy.)'

Seriously dude. You can present your opinion without giving the finger to everyone who doesn't agree with you.

None of the poll options really reflect my opinion.
I really like Bethesda's open world RPGs (Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc.), but it this case I think New Vegas is better than Fallout 3, and I do no miss any action.

The options that would fit my opinion the most would be the "not much" or the "obsidian really devoted fan" ones.

"Not really" is a too weak statement... like if I think the action lacking (something I don't do), but don't mind.
And the "obsidian really devoted fan" option is great except for the "screw bethesda and Fallout 3", and the "obsidian really devoted fan" part.

There are a lot of options in this poll, but most of them say almost the same and agree with OP. Conclusion = poll svcks.

I love the game, i am a 360 user. So i obviously want to play the game which needs patch to fix it because this bug is game-breaking. so its not worth the $60 until its fixed I'm my opinion.

Fair enough.
I think the poll is fine. I don't consider it a bad thing to be an Obsidian fan boy. If that is what you like then good for you. I think most of the people who think this game is the best thing since sliced bread are just that, Obsidian fan boys. So, no big deal.

The poll is fine. I'm getting what I want out of it.

Although, one of the poll options did cut off what I had written and I think it is funny that 3 people still voted for it.
"So much so, but I..." (I wonder what they were thinking?)

This is my first Fallout by Obsidian however I'm liking the change of pace. Fallout 3 was brilliant in my opinion and to me it was an openworld FPS. New Vegas however feels like a survival sim and very RPGish.

I just wish the two could be merged. Imagine FO3's world merged with the challenge and writing in this game. I actually had to struggle at the start (hardcoe/Hard) unlike Fallout 3 where everything is handed to me on a silver platter such as Armoured Vault, 400 caps, a generous supply of medicine and quick access to a proper house.

I'm liking the change of pace, if I feel I want more action I will head back to Fallout 3. I don't think liking the different next gen Fallouts for different thing warrants slander of one or the other. They are both good in their respective ways although I'm sure fans of the original are happy that they have a game that is truer to its roots as far as I can see from reaction.

I suggest you actually go and read the book as it is set in Russia after a nuclear war and is set in the Moscow Metro system. The story is told from a single characters point of view and it's this character that you play in Metro. In no way is the game of Metro 2033 based on the Metro system of Fallout 3. The game was also in development from around 2006.

Your poll only wants people to hate on New Vegas whereas looking at the poll results 19 out of 53 votes are for people being Obsidian Fan Boys/Girls. All people are suggesting is that you actually should have had a balanced poll stating that maybe just maybe there was enough combat in the game.

Next time I suggest you actually do some research on a game that you basically accuse of ripping off FO3 and then come up with a poll that is balanced instead of basing one to get the results that you want to come out of it.

I second this motion.
My name is Giliant, and i approve of this message.