Which came first - the chicken or the egg? Possible answer

Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:28 pm

The egg came first, duh, because that's how evolution works. Living creatures don't suddenly transform into another species the subtle change that lead to the chicken happened through mutations in meiosis and thus affected only the eggs.


That is the prevalent theory about evolution now, but not the only theory
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:11 pm

That is the prevalent theory about evolution now, but not the only theory
Do you know the scientific definition of the word theory?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:37 am

That is the prevalent theory about evolution now, but not the only theory
Unless you count ancient aliens and the so-called "intelligent design", then yes evolution is the only theory for now. And as Lobotomite said, theory in scientific sense is nothing like the "theory" we use in daily conversations. Evolution happens. There are no actual species, there are only transitional forms which we give names to since our existence is too short to see visual changes of evolution. We are not the same humans who lived ten thousand years ago and humans ten thousand years from now will be different from us. That, my friend, is life.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:04 pm

The egg came first, duh, because that's how evolution works. Living creatures don't suddenly transform into another species the subtle change that lead to the chicken happened through mutations in meiosis and thus affected only the eggs.


Birds evolved from lizards so yes Chicken's ancestors did lay eggs. In fact, giving live birth is a newcomer to animal life.
What happens when we go back to everything being a single celled creature, for god knows how many years.

Allthough yes, egg did come before the chicken.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:09 am

What happens when we go back to everything being a single celled creature, for god knows how many years.

Allthough yes, egg did come before the chicken.
Single celled creatures are clones from each other. Bacteria for one evolve through mutation and they have the ability to hijack genes from dead bacteria. Multi celled creatures evolved when single celled teamed up (for example mitochondria, the "power plants" of your cells, have their own DNA).
We do not yet know where exactly life itself originates but give it fifty years and you have the answer. Unfortunately the less educated masses think that if we can't prove something now it equals we can never prove it. A claim proven wrong again and again.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:14 am

Yeah, but where did the hen that gave birth to the chicken come from?!
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:28 pm

What came first? Millions of years of evolution from other animals until the chicken we know today.

Edit: Also here is an amusing QI clip. http://youtu.be/MxsirHtUAC4
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:31 am

If the egg in this case is a chicken egg, it likely came 2nd.
The chicken would have hatched from another animals egg, but because of evolution/defects instead of hatching an "X" it hatched a chicken, but the original eggs was never a chicken egg specifically as it came from animal "X".
Chicken 1st then the egg 2nd
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:37 pm

Ovoviviparous chickens... The end of bacon and egg...
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:33 pm

Ovoviviparous chickens... The end of bacon and egg...
Bacon comes from pigs...
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:44 pm

Single celled creatures are clones from each other. Bacteria for one evolve through mutation and they have the ability to hijack genes from dead bacteria. Multi celled creatures evolved when single celled teamed up (for example mitochondria, the "power plants" of your cells, have their own DNA).
We do not yet know where exactly life itself originates but give it fifty years and you have the answer. Unfortunately the less educated masses think that if we can't prove something now it equals we can never prove it. A claim proven wrong again and again.
I know that, but I disagree about knowing where life came from in 50 years. I think given enough time we may find out, but after bacteria, its going to get complicated, and I dont think we will understand any time soon.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:42 pm

I know that, but I disagree about knowing where life came from in 50 years. I think given enough time we may find out, but after bacteria, its going to get complicated, and I dont think we will understand any time soon.
A better question is why should we as humans even care where life came from, we already have it, we already know how to recreate it and we can even clone life. Why care about its origins :rolleyes:
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:45 pm

A better question is why should we as humans even care where life came from, we already have it, we already know how to recreate it and we can even clone life. Why care about its origins :rolleyes:
Because finding the truth about our origins is not only a kick in the nuts of creationism aka the Singularity of Stupid, but also it's just good to know. We should never be apathetic about science and just because something doesn't seem practical at first it doesn't mean it's worth it. And of course if we find out how life came to be one day we may be able to create life from scratch.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:33 pm

Because finding the truth about our origins is not only a kick in the nuts of creationism aka the Singularity of Stupid, but also it's just good to know. We should never be apathetic about science and just because something doesn't seem practical at first it doesn't mean it's worth it. And of course if we find out how life came to be one day we may be able to create life from scratch.
I couldn't careless about kicking some -ism group in it's nuts for the hell of it.
It's not good to know, it's a waste of funds and time, the knowledge of how life just went "poof!" and apeared will not save you from starvation, it won't feed your hungry mouth or even fuel your car - what use is this to anyone besides boffins who aren't good for anything practical and of real use.

Did you know from an interest in science I now know how many http://www.sweetgreetingsshildon.co.uk/images/uploads/soft/fruit-pastilles-lions.JPG it takes to choke a kestrel?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:14 pm

A better question is why should we as humans even care where life came from, we already have it, we already know how to recreate it and we can even clone life. Why care about its origins :rolleyes:
So what if we can recreate it ? Clones are faulty, they age faster iirc. Just becuase we can clone something, dosent mean we understand it.
Knowing where life came from could prove helpful somehow. Also it would shut alot of people up.

Why shouldnt humans strive to learn more ?

Edit: You know what else isnt feeding me, or fueling my car ? NASA, I guess we should give up on them. As it is we arent able to get very far in the universe, cant colonise other planets. So its useless, right ?
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I couldn't careless about kicking some -ism group in it's nuts for the hell of it.
It's not good to know, it's a waste of funds and time, the knowledge of how life just went "poof!" and apeared will not save you from starvation, it won't feed your hungry mouth or even fuel your car - what use is this to anyone besides boffins who aren't good for anything practical and of real use.

Did you know from an interest in science I now know how many http://www.sweetgreetingsshildon.co.uk/images/uploads/soft/fruit-pastilles-lions.JPG it takes to choke a kestrel?
That was the attitude of mankind for a great many centuries and alas, we were stuck farming potatoes and shrugging everything off as "goddidit". Seemingly useless information may turn history as was shown by Darwin and his theories. So if he had just sat home and not gone on his voyage because it's a waste of time? I don't even want to think how much that would have slowed human progress.
And did you know steam power was invented in the ancient times but dismissed as a waste of time, as a toy?
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 4:30 pm

That was the attitude of mankind for a great many centuries and alas, we were stuck farming potatoes and shrugging everything off as "goddidit". Seemingly useless information may turn history as was shown by Darwin and his theories. So if he had just sat home and not gone on his voyage because it's a waste of time? I don't even want to think how much that would have slowed human progress.
And did you know steam power was invented in the ancient times but dismissed as a waste of time, as a toy?
Why care though, why does this specific topic interest you, do think it will benefit you and improve your standard of living?
What did Darwin's theory accomplish? It's can't have done much if it's only a theory, I could create the theory that men develoved from pigs and women from cows and still be as valid as humans from monkeys. But his theory just seems to have accomplished a reason to conduct science ecperiements on monkeys because "they're similar".
Surely looking to the past isn't going to improve the future, especially not looking at the dawn of life.
Still why find the pin point origin and the reason when we can already recreate through six and cloning. There is no need for the original beginning if all we need is a DNA sample of whatever we want to clone. Unless creating dinosaurs and super predators is the objective.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:37 pm

Why care though, why does this specific topic interest you, do think it will benefit you and improve your standard of living?
What did Darwin's theory accomplish? It's can't have done much if it's only a theory, I could create the theory that men develoved from pigs and women from cows and still be as valid as humans from monkeys. But his theory just seems to have accomplished a reason to conduct science ecperiements on monkeys because "they're similar".
Surely looking to the past isn't going to improve the future, especially not looking at the dawn of life.
Still why find the pin point origin and the reason when we can already recreate through six and cloning. There is no need for the original beginning if all we need is a DNA sample of whatever we want to clone. Unless creating dinosaurs and super predators is the objective.
What are you even talking about? You could hypothesize that men came from pigs, but you would need some kind of evidence in order to support a theory.

Also, you realise that evolution, genetics and cloning are all part of biology, right? One doesn't come without the other. You can't say "why talk about the origins of life, when we could talk about the construction of of basic amino acids?", that's almost a tautology.

It's all just learning; that thing people tend to do, seemingly for no reason at all.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:05 pm

Why care though, why does this specific topic interest you, do think it will benefit you and improve your standard of living?
What did Darwin's theory accomplish? It's can't have done much if it's only a theory, I could create the theory that men develoved from pigs and women from cows and still be as valid as humans from monkeys. But his theory just seems to have accomplished a reason to conduct science ecperiements on monkeys because "they're similar".
Surely looking to the past isn't going to improve the future, especially not looking at the dawn of life.
Still why find the pin point origin and the reason when we can already recreate through six and cloning. There is no need for the original beginning if all we need is a DNA sample of whatever we want to clone. Unless creating dinosaurs and super predators is the objective.
Since I am applying for university to study Biology next month yes this stuff will improve my standard of living. And once I'm done and I have my degree I will be contributing to human progress in the ways your average gullible peasant can only imagine. I would prefer studying stem cells, which is instrumental in gene therapy and the art of creating life and modifying it.
As for Darwinism being "just a theory", it's not. It's a scientifically proven fact unlike your pigs-into-men which would have no evidence to back it. As for monkeys, theory of evolution has nothing to do with experimenting on them. That's a whole another thing and remember that all animals are, what, 90% identical. Most modern biological research is conducted on fruit flies since their DNA was the first to be mapped.
Also remember that knowing things like genetic structure is producing a truckload of medicine. Knowing that Bacteria and Humans are made from the same stuff means Bacteria are being used as hosts of genetic material used in gene therapy. Since you can't store DNA in a syringe, a bacterial colony does quite nicely.

Also, cloning is not nearly that simple. First of all it's not working properly now (Dolly was the first of hundreds if not thousands of attempts to live) and the practice of cloning itself is science fiction nonsense that serves no purpose. If anything we should find ways to decrease the amount of people in the world.

EDIT: cleared out some terms...
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 4:51 pm

There's knowledge, there is speculation, and there is the sound of one hand clapping.
I went to my first subsidiary subject lecture, they handed me a piece of paper. On one side, it said "the statement on the other side of this paper is false", and written on the other side was "the statement on the other side of this paper is true". I was asked to discuss this. Now this is the god's honest truth : I am banned, for life, from Birmingham University's Department of Philosophy. My opinion, nothing more of course, such questions are advlt minds at child's play.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:57 pm

There's knowledge, there is speculation, and there is the sound of one hand clapping.
I went to my first subsidiary subject lecture, they handed me a piece of paper. On one side, it said "the statement on the other side of this paper is false", and written on the other side was "the statement on the other side of this paper is true". I was asked to discuss this. Now this is the god's honest truth : I am banned, for life, from Birmingham University's Department of Philosophy. My opinion, nothing more of course, such questions are advlt minds at child's play.
It's idiotic play with words in my opinion. I always considered most of philosophy a waste of time anyway, sitting around and asking waste-of-time questions like that.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:07 pm

It's idiotic play with words in my opinion. I always considered most of philosophy a waste of time anyway, sitting around and asking waste-of-time questions like that.
Indeed, would much ratehr people focus on science or something.

Since I am applying for university to study Biology next month yes this stuff will improve my standard of living. And once I'm done and I have my degree I will be contributing to human progress in the ways your average gullible peasant can only imagine. I would prefer studying stem cells, which is instrumental in gene therapy and the art of creating life and modifying it.
As for Darwinism being "just a theory", it's not. It's a scientifically proven fact unlike your pigs-into-men which would have no evidence to back it. As for monkeys, theory of evolution has nothing to do with experimenting on them. That's a whole another thing and remember that all animals are, what, 90% identical. Most modern biological research is conducted on fruit flies since their DNA was the first to be mapped.
Also remember that knowing things like genetic structure is producing a truckload of medicine. Knowing that Bacteria and Humans are made from the same stuff means Bacteria are being used as hosts of genetic material used in gene therapy. Since you can't store DNA in a syringe, a bacterial colony does quite nicely.

Also, cloning is not nearly that simple. First of all it's not working properly now (Dolly was the first of hundreds if not thousands of attempts to live) and the practice of cloning itself is science fiction nonsense that serves no purpose. If anything we should find ways to decrease the amount of people in the world.

EDIT: cleared out some terms...
The population will go down on its own. Eventually we will be unable to support our current population, the world will go to hell. And it will only be able to get beeter when we are in equilibrium, with our need for resurces.

So im not too worried about overpopulation, it will sort itself out eventually.
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Since I am applying for university to study Biology next month yes this stuff will improve my standard of living. And once I'm done and I have my degree I will be contributing to human progress in the ways your average gullible peasant can only imagine. I would prefer studying stem cells, which is instrumental in gene therapy and the art of creating life and modifying it.
As for Darwinism being "just a theory", it's not. It's a scientifically proven fact unlike your pigs-into-men which would have no evidence to back it. As for monkeys, theory of evolution has nothing to do with experimenting on them. That's a whole another thing and remember that all animals are, what, 90% identical. Most modern biological research is conducted on fruit flies since their DNA was the first to be mapped.
Also remember that knowing things like genetic structure is producing a truckload of medicine. Knowing that Bacteria and Humans are made from the same stuff means Bacteria are being used as hosts of genetic material used in gene therapy. Since you can't store DNA in a syringe, a bacterial colony does quite nicely.

Also, cloning is not nearly that simple. First of all it's not working properly now (Dolly was the first of hundreds if not thousands of attempts to live) and the practice of cloning itself is science fiction nonsense that serves no purpose. If anything we should find ways to decrease the amount of people in the world.

EDIT: cleared out some terms...
You won't really be helping human progress at all, humans have already evolved to our limits, and if we haven't then we've stunted it so much we'll be going backwards......
"If anything we should find ways to decrease the amount of people in the world." - I just saw this...This is almost contridictory, if the population should decrease rather than increase, why strive to know the origin.

I still care not about knowing the origin of life, simply because it's unnecessary to me and my life. And I believe it's a wate of money because it is something they will never ever find out. Here is the best theory for lives existence; We aren't of this planet, or this galaxy. ... wait that means life originated from something else :ermm: ..... a chemical eruption bewteen planets cause something something something.... [Needs more less thought]
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I still care not about knowing the origin of life, simply because it's unnecessary to me and my life. And I believe it's a wate of money because it is something they will never ever find out. Here is the best theory for lives existence; We aren't of this planet, or this galaxy. ... wait that means life originated from something else :ermm: ..... a chemical eruption bewteen planets cause something something something.... [Needs more less thought]
If you don't know the answer to something, and don't care for the topic, it's best to stay coy.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:46 pm

You won't really be helping human progress at all, humans have already evolved to our limits, and if we haven't then we've stunted it so much we'll be going backwards......
What... Are you seriously saying humans cant progress ? Human progress =/= evoloution. Besides research into genetics and the like could help remove things like hereditry diseases.
"If anything we should find ways to decrease the amount of people in the world." - I just saw this...This is almost contridictory, if the population should decrease rather than increase, why strive to know the origin.
What ? (again) Give a reason for us, to give up trying to find things out ? Thousands of years ago people didnt question things becuase they just settled for "God did it". Overpopulation has nothing to do, with finding lifes origin.

I still care not about knowing the origin of life, simply because it's unnecessary to me and my life.
Landing on the moon, and all the research into space hasnt helped you either. Whats your point ?
And I believe it's a wate of money because it is something they will never ever find out.
Why not ? We have already made alot of progress, considering before it was "god made us", now we have evoloution, cells and bacteria.
Here is the best theory for lives existence; We aren't of this planet, or this galaxy. ... wait that means life originated from something else :ermm: ..... a chemical eruption bewteen planets cause something something something.... [Needs more less thought]
Bold.

Oh and just so you know, stem cells have great potential for the human race. From growing/creating things like organs, to helping restore some peoples site.
I would say if Pistolero got in, he could help alot.
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