Why did alduin attack helgen? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:08 pm

I was always under the impression that Alduin went to Helgen to kill the dragonborn, and that it was simple dramatic irony that his intervention ended up saving their life.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:06 am

He was trying to kill you before you knew you were Dragonborn, but he didn't know he was interrupting your execution; all he knew was that you were there and you had to die.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:57 am

Because you can't really play the game as a headless stump.

The people who used "tim" in the console would disagree with this satement :biggrin:

Alduin could have been responsible for activating the spark of Akatosh in our characters, He may have thought that our characters were a Dragon that needed to be reminded of thier heritage when our characters did not resist the execution.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:59 am

Geographically it makes sense if he was sent back in time to the Throat of the World, Helgen is the nearest fortified town with the most people. Ivarsted is closer, but it's very small and wouldn't have made as good a target for a cheesed off dragon who just got forced to the ground and punched through time by a bunch of what he considers his inferiors.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:05 am

Geographically it makes sense if he was sent back in time to the Throat of the World, Helgen is the nearest fortified town with the most people. Ivarsted is closer, but it's very small and wouldn't have made as good a target for a cheesed off dragon who just got forced to the ground and punched through time by a bunch of what he considers his inferiors.

That's actually a pretty good thought process there. Makes more sense than some things....

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:19 am

I'm guessing he was attracted to the presence of the dragonborn. A dov recognizing one of its own. He didn't kill him/ her because it wasn't challenge enough. In order to really rule and earn the respect of the other dragons, he has to conquer the dragonborn, not crispy fry her while she's tied up.

This is also how I roleplay my characters who otherwise don't care about being some Nord hero- they start to think that dragons are following them, are attracted to them somehow, so they better deal with this dragon business if they ever want to have some peace.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:42 pm

Alduin was jonesing for some of Vilod's special mead with juniper berries.
Nobody keeps Alduin from his juniper berry mead.

Damn, beat me to it. I always go back to Elgen to grab the few remaining bottles. Alduin can drink milk for all I care, he's not getting my mead with juniper berries.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Because you can't really play the game as a headless stump.

Or walk the billion steps to High Hrothgar on two fried drumsticks.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:41 am

i actually never knew it was alduin that attacked Helgen.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:46 am

i actually never knew it was alduin that attacked Helgen.

lol. That made my day. Have a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/General:Fishy_Stick!!

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:09 am

Well.... truthfully, I didn't know it was Alduin for the first half-dozen toons.... then I vaguely remembered something from my weeks of reading stuff on the wiki etc. and went back to re-read....

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:04 am

Alduin is eating the souls of the dead in Sovngard, and the civil war is sending many souls there to devour. He was rescuing Ulfric so the war wouldn't end.

That's actually a pretty good theory, but I bet that he was also there to save the Dragonborn from such dying without Alduin facing him/her first. Dragons are very competitive by nature, so I don't think that Alduin would want the Dragonborn to just die without a fight.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:45 am

We know Ulfric used a shout to kill the high king, we don't know If Alduin was "here" at that time. But he could of heard that, so could have went to Helgen because of the presence he felt. OR if he came after Ulfric shouted at the High King.

It would make sense that he would go to Helgen, because he would feel the dragonblood, he may have been disorented enough at first to not recognize the difference. When he is at Kynesgrove he admonishes you for useing the name of Dovah when you can't even speak the language. So he felt your Dragonblood/presence their, why would he not have at Helgen?

He doesn't fry you at the block, he uses unrelenting force ( I think, the caption doesn't come up there for me). But he fry's alot of other ppl at Helgen.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:36 am

You know.... I think I might have to write "Alduin Awakened".... some interesting premises in this thread....

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:14 pm

i actually never knew it was alduin that attacked Helgen.

I didn't either.

We know Ulfric used a shout to kill the high king, we don't know If Alduin was "here" at that time. But he could of heard that, so could have went to Helgen because of the presence he felt. OR if he came after Ulfric shouted at the High King.

I know where you're going with this. The presence he felt was not ulfrics. Ulfric is not a dragonborn. He only learned how to shout. The presence Alduin felt was no doubt the players'.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:31 am

idle curiosity.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:34 am

I don't know but it's funny that when Alduin strolls into the story Ulfric, Tullius, and the Dragonborn are all together at the same place at the same time. It must be destiny destiny destiny, ... etc.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:50 am

I know where you're going with this. The presence he felt was not ulfrics. Ulfric is not a dragonborn. He only learned how to shout. The presence Alduin felt was no doubt the players'.

I'm not pro-Ulfric, but he could also be Dragonborn. It's possible for there to be more than one Dragonborn alive at the same time.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:10 pm

I'm not pro-Ulfric, but he could also be Dragonborn. It's possible for there to be more than one Dragonborn alive at the same time.

I don't remember hearing or seeing anything in-game that say's Ulfric was taught by the Greybeard's, and he would have to have been, unless he is also dragonborn.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:23 am

I don't remember hearing or seeing anything in-game that say's Ulfric was taught by the Greybeard's, and he would have to have been, unless he is also dragonborn.

I'm pretty sure when you speak to him you have that dialogue at some point, but it's been a little while. He says that he was with them but had to leave to join the war.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:31 am

I'm pretty sure when you speak to him you have that dialogue at some point, but it's been a little while. He says that he was with them but had to leave to join the war.

Ah thank you. It's been a very long time since I did the CW questline and I did it on the other side.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:01 am

Because you can't really play the game as a headless stump.

"I used to be an adventurer like you, until I took an axe in the neck." :shakehead:

Alduin was jonesing for some of Vilod's special mead with juniper berries.
Nobody keeps Alduin from his juniper berry mead.

So he was ginning up trouble? :biggrin:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:55 pm

All the theories about Alduin sensing the dragonborn presence or trying to save him on purpose makes no sense since you can actually be killed by his dragon breath in Helgen. The fact that the timing of the attack saved you from your death is simply down to fate, the will of the gods.

I think Alduin must have just appeared from the time rift when he attacked Helgen, since that was the first recorded case of a dragon attack in Skyrim (since last time round ofcourse). He simply chose the nearest town he could find to exact revenge on the Nords that banished him moments earlier.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:06 am

Whatever his reasons, in the long run it turned out to be a really bad idea for him.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:06 pm

Nah...Alduin did not want the civil war to end.

He was feeding on the souls of the dead and an end to the war would have shut down the supply of souls going to Sovngarde