It really baffles me how much they keep cutting for each game. I don't even want to imagine what TES VI will be like if they keep this up. The fact that people are still whining about stuff being overpowered in a sp game does not help that fact. Like the people who whined about spell creation, and are now whining about smithing. I don't even want to imagine what wilm happen if beth listens to these people. What are mechanics\content that you guys want back in the next game?

I tend to agree OP, It gets to be ridiculous reading all these whinners and watching a great game series get gutted to death because of it. I won't go into detail because it is pointless anymore with BGS. I can see real complaints about bugs, but some of the nonsense I have seen is sickening.

Well it is a single player game so Beth shouldnt think so hard to please everyone....
I want to roleplay Jesus so I need waterwalking spells...

Yeah, Elder Scrolls will be a arcade game within two releases if it keeps going like that to try and please the mainsteam console gamers. Next version will have arrows on the paths pointing exactly where to go and quicktime events with one button kills, oh wait....

Don't forget transmuting stone into bread.

There is no time to create both old stuff and new stuff. You have to cut one to make the other.

There obviously is. Look what they did with Morrowind when they were about to go under.

I must admit that some of the changes I like, such as:

changing blade and blunt to one-handed and two-handed
adding cooking, even though they could have done it better, I still like the concept.
I like the perk system for the skills as it adds more diversity
I don't miss the acrobatics and athletic skills, I always leveled those up so fast in Oblivion.

However, there are some things I want back, such as:

Classes, I think with how they streamlined the skills keeping this would have been beneficial. It could help to reduce some of the skill exploits too.
Birthsigns, without classed the standing stones was really the only choice, so that you can change your play style with the same charachter to effectivly re-class them, but if you bring classes back this should come back too.
I like the speach system from Oblivion better, I like to see the NPCs disposition towards me, but maybe improve on the mini-game as that was not very good.

Water into wine as well. Probably the most important miracle that one.

Look at the levels of detail needed to meet the current quality expected in an RPG. You can't expect them to be able to scale up everything.

There's got to be a point where either the cost in time, manpower or memory use will give. Now, where do we draw the line at this "streamlining"? I don't know, but most of the people who complain, go on and still play. It's like a great cult hit, going mainstream, and getting taken over by hollywood. Which ruins it.

I love it, Jesus Dragonborn....

Stop going off topic. I happen to take offense to that.

He also would want to raise his Conjuration skill to drive "Legion" out into the herd of pigs.

Not to mention stop Ragnar's exection in Solitude by saying "He who hath not opened a gate, swing the first axe"


There's much more than that to do if you want to RP the son of God!


Read this after my last post. My sincere apologies.

Please don't blame it on the consoles. That is just an excuse. Consoles can handle more then people think. Morrowind as an example had alot more depth, gameplay, options, and items. Then Oblivion or Skyrim and it worked just fine on the old Xbox.

It's ok. I forgive you.

The later games have a lot of things that Morrowind doesn't have. As I said, you can't have both old and new. There simply isn't time for it. That's just a fact of life.

But Morrowind still has more than both Oblivion and Skyrim.

Games are dumbed down because of the wider market of consoles, so yes I do blame them. When you start adapting your game to a wider audience it becomes dumbed down and easy, which is why Skyrim is. Elder Scrolls works on consoles well because the technology of the game hasn't moved on, even Skyrim would fit nicely back in 2006 from a technology point of view.

Text based read only RPG's allow far more flexibility and late design changes.

Good point. We should go back that.

Don't blame the business, blame the market. Beth makes more money with a wider audience. Unfortunatly game production costs have risen so much that they need that audience to make a competitive game now. I sympathise with you, I want complexity, I want depth, but this is how it is now.

Blame anyone but bethesda and make everyone the enemy. Anything is a whine unless its a feature gone in favour of more uniqueness to the area.

I never insulted anyone. Your post shows that you only read the tilte of the topic and not the op. I never said or even infered anything you just said. Next time you should think before you post.

I know I'm gonna come off as just another old guy with nostalgia goggles for morrowind, but truth is, I enjoyed oblivion and skyrim a lot more overall than I did morrowind.

What they really need to do is start focusing a lot more on player stats, similar to morrowind.
As it is right now, having a minigame for lockpicking or speech in oblivion was nothing but a question of practice on the player's part, as opposed to morrowind's entirely stats based approach. Lockpicking is a joke once you do it after a while. Picking a master level lock with a completely fresh character isn't a problem. Any fight is won easily by stunlocking as a mage or circlestrafing combined with some backpedaling as a melee character. This needs to stop, when I buy a TES game, I want to play a legit oldschool ROLE PLAYING GAME, not an action RPG.

Also, the amount of voice actors required to get the amount of content morrowind had into a modern game simply isn't feasible, bring back unvoiced, entirely text based conversations! The small loss of immersion really isn't a problem when you consider how much more content they could put in if they bypass the entire voice acting section.

We lost a few features and gained a far, far more detailed world with much better dungeons. Isn't exploring the reason we fell in love with TES?