Why no love for macs

Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:18 pm

Some PC and console titles do have MAC offering. Don't think for a minute other developers don't share one anothers sales numbers with each other. I wager MAC is real real real low. Somewhere in the single percentage digits of sales thus it's not worth extra development time for.
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Stephanie Valentine
 
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:05 pm

Macs are too mainstream so I moved back to Windows.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:43 am

Because I recently found out MacDonald was actually McDonald. No love for the Mac clan anymore.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:42 pm

Honestly I can't remember it was 3 years ago that I tried it....with what you said I just may give it another go with skyrim
Thanks!


Always end up using bootcamp for gaming and works very well. Running OSX Lion. After installing Windows 7, for some reason had to repair the MBR (google "windows 7 repair mbr") because lappy was "hanging" a bit before booting into Windows.

If you have VMware fusion, you can boot up the Windows partition as a VM, which is useful for a lot of stuff, like install/updating drivers/updates/software (games) while on the OSX side. Works like a charm.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:18 pm

I use a mac.

But play games on consoles.

Thug life.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:44 am

Dual boot Windows.

Better yet, build a PC, and triple boot Windows, a Linux Distro, and MacOS.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:19 pm

The market is too small, by which I mean Mac gamers who aren't willing to dual boot are in the minority. If your games are running that bad, maybe it's time for an upgrade, a friend of mine is running Skyrim just fine dual booting on a 2 year old 15 inch MBP . . .
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:16 pm

"Mac"'s don't exist anymore (PowerPC architecture), they're Intel architecture hardware, like any other laptop, so it comes down only to the operative system now.

Yes, unfortunately the graphic card options svck, i have a MBP 2010 2,40 Mhz which comes with a Nvidia 330m 256mb, a medium end laptop offer, but anyway i've spent countless hours of fun playing games on OSX, like TF2, Starcraft 2, Doom3, Quake 4, Eve Online, Warcraft (3/Wow) and many more.

The gaming ecosystem could and should be vastly improved but i hardly doubt it's the "laughing livestock of the world".


Trust me, it is...

In my experience with working with Macs, I have to agree with the above comments...overpriced, overhyped, 'pretty' but 'stupid'...they're for people with more money than sense...or students :P

It's unfortunate, but not many companies will want to add support for a much smaller demographic...
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:36 pm

Dual boot Windows.

Better yet, build a PC, and triple boot Windows, a Linux Distro, and MacOS.

That is my dream but I know zilch about hackintoshs
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:38 am

Trust me, it is...

In my experience with working with Macs, I have to agree with the above comments...overpriced, overhyped, 'pretty' but 'stupid'...they're for people with more money than sense...or students :P

It's unfortunate, but not many companies will want to add support for a much smaller demographic...


i don't agree, being a developer for almost 12 years, i fail to see where they're pretty and stupid and i've been working and living on mac's (Imac and currently a MBP) for 3 years, can you explain why do you think that? Most of the arguments i read don't hold any common sense ground and mostly end up being pure hate/disdain or the fact that the machines are expensive.

Before buying the iMac, had an Acer laptop and worked and lived on Linux for more than 7 years. Being a UNIX based O.S. fan i feel quite at home using it. Actually, in my opinion, my overall user experience has actually increased, there's great software on OSX.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:00 am

i don't agree, being a developer for almost 12 years, i fail to see where they're pretty and stupid and i've been working and living on mac's (Imac and currently a MBP) for 3 years, can you explain why do you think that? Most of the arguments i read don't hold any common sense ground and mostly end up being pure hate/disdain or the fact that the machines are expensive.

Before buying the iMac, had an Acer laptop and worked and lived on Linux for more than 7 years. Being a UNIX based O.S. fan i feel quite at home using it. Actually, in my opinion, my overall user experience has actually increased, there's great software on OSX.

Don't worry about...it's kinda evident it's mostly motivated by hate with just the fact that they are bashing Macs in general when I asked a question about game development for macs. They use the same old arguments and the same failed logic. "hey guys look it's a post with Mac in the title! Let's go trollin!"
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:59 am

Don't worry about...it's kinda evident it's mostly motivated by hate with just the fact that they are bashing Macs in general when I asked a question about game development for macs. They use the same old arguments and the same failed logic. "hey guys look it's a post with Mac in the title! Let's go trollin!"


yeah but the thing is that the "myth" is widespread and i've noticed a recent trend in labeling "apple consumers" as futile and the rest. A reason it matters, it's because sleazy companies like Samsung are even taking advantage of it for their own business interests, aka the recent apple store waiting line video. I have no problems criticizing the ups and downs of any platform, i've used several OS's, had iPhone and now have an Android, there stuff i like and dislike in any, but never felt the need to insult anyone about it. That's just it basically.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:26 pm

I started playing elder scrolls with the console version of Oblivion. Recently, with skyrim I have really grown tired of the shackles involved with playing the console version ie. lower textures, no mods, slower rendering..etc...however I've owned Macs for the past 5 years. Because of this I can't play the "fun" version of the game. I just prefer macs to anything else so me switching to windows is out of the question. I have tried dual booting windows on my macs but on average windows runs 30% less efficient on a Mac than a non OSX machine. This caused oblivion to run like crap compared to the universal games I played....so the main question is..why has Bethesda shown no love toward macs..especially with the increase of sales in the past decade...
P.S. Mac trolls please go away. I'm looking for a constructive response



Here are some reasons for you.

The % of sales that having it on mac would generate would be less than the cost to develop it for that OS.
Compared to a PC less people own them, and a even smaller amount of those use them to play AAA titles. Why develop for a platform that will cost more to port it to/make it on then what it will take in on sales.

That is a fourth platform to build/program for and bug test for as well as producing and distributing, its simply not worth it in terms of profit.

They are (in my opinion) grossly overpriced and over hyped for the hardware you get, and seeing as the same hardware can be bought elsewhere for less, why buy a mac.
Its the same (mostly) internal components from what I understand, you are just paying way too much for a OS and the finished build.
Anything a mac can do, is matched or outperformed by a PC, and will cost less.

Mac is for (in my opinion again) for hipsters, and classes that force the use of mac only. Price per price custom building (or even buying) a PC is less than a mac, while still giving access to the same or similar software.

In my research, there is nothing apple offers that microsoft or someone else does not do better and cheaper.
Ipod? Zune.
Last time I looked a 16 gig Zune was less than a 8gig Ipod, bot touchscreen. The Zune looks better and does the same things for less.

Iphone? Motorola/BB. I hate the iphone and Ipad, I work in the mobile industry and have had plenty of hands on with phones. The BB tablet is (imo) superior than the ipad.

Mac? Pc. Personal experience and use of a MBP, and a desktop (both new).
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:18 am

yeah but the thing is that the "myth" is widespread and i've noticed a recent trend in labeling "apple consumers" as futile and the rest. A reason it matters, it's because sleazy companies like Samsung are even taking advantage of it for their own business interests, aka the recent apple store waiting line video. I have no problems criticizing the ups and downs of any platform, i've used several OS's, had iPhone and now have an Android, there stuff i like and dislike in any, but never felt the need to insult anyone about it. That's just it basically.

You seem to forget that Apple loves to do its own "labeling". Mac vs PC commercials ring a bell?
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:39 am

Because the price/performance is not good enough which is what most customers care about.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:31 pm

The single greatest and most accurate argument against Macs is this:

They have 14% market share.

When you are that small no one develops software for your OS which means that you have to jump through hoops to make things work. In the real world, software is designed for many proprietary reasons, and those software developers are not going to spend valuable resources developing software for a marginal environment.

You can argue about the merits of a PC or Mac all day, the fact remains that developers are only going to develop for the OS that is currently in use.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:09 am

You seem to forget that Apple loves to do its own "labeling". Mac vs PC commercials ring a bell?


True. As far as i remember from those videos, the Mac guy is all young and cool and the PC guy is a middle age overweight but from what i remember of the videos content, it criticizes the platform not the consumers. The Samsung video is directly stereotyping the consumers. "I could never get a Samsung, i'm creative". ORLY? :-)

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p.s.: there's actually a technical reason why the iphone's screen is not larger and, from what i read on the Internet [which classifies it as a true story], it's due to the fact that, on average, a person can reach the full screen area with a single thumb :-)
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:13 pm

As mentioned Bethesda does not see OS X as a valid market. You're honestly better off with no port than a craptacular Cider port anyway.

True. As far as i remember from those videos, the Mac guy is all young and cool and the PC guy is a middle age overweight but from what i remember of the videos content, it criticizes the platform not the consumers. The Samsung video is directly stereotyping the consumers. "I could never get a Samsung, i'm creative". ORLY? :-)

Wow, really? You don't see that Apple is trying to say that Mac OS X is for younger, cool people while only old dunderheads use Windows with those commercials? Advertising uses every aspect of a commercial space, the time is too valuable to convey messages in words alone.

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p.s.: there's actually a technical reason why the iphone's screen is not larger and, from what i read on the Internet [which classifies it as a true story], it's due to the fact that, on average, a person can reach the full screen area with a single thumb :-)

It's a half-myth: It was an explanation given by a http://dcurt.is/2011/10/03/3-point-5-inches/ to explain the small screen and firstly not at all spoken by Apple as truth, secondly not entirely true (even with my small hands I can almost do it, so people with larger hands easily can), and thirdly the thumb is only really used for quick swiping after pulling the phone out of your pocket, otherwise most people use their index finder for navigation -- not their thumb. Also, I have a hard time taking anyone who calls themselves a superhero serious.

Mac pcs/Windows pcs, there isn't much difference. But there are the obstacles of hardware (Macs tend not to be as horsepower loaded as some gaming pcs) and the OS (Extra dev time needed to code for it)

Erm, the ONLY way Mac OS X and Windows could be any more different was if Mac OS X still ran primarily on PowerPC. Their only similarities are they both have a GUI and both run on Intel.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:01 am

p.s.: what is exactly a "real computer"

A Vax 8000 and IBM System/370 are real computers. If it's not connected up to its own personal air-con system and doesn't have its own electricity meter, it's not a proper computer. Your PC might outperform a Vax, but if the Vax fell on it, your PC would be no more. Food for thought. Possibly.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:22 am

Clearly Skyrim just isn't indie enough. I will rue the day when I see a Skyrim advertisemant targeted at hipsters....

Dovahkiin in plaid... Oh god... Oh god......
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:58 am

Because it's popular and everyone here thinks they're special by hating popular things like Halo, CoD, and Macs I guess? :shrug: :laugh:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:01 am

Because it's popular and everyone here thinks they're special by hating popular things like Halo, CoD, and Macs I guess? :shrug: :laugh:

Since when was a sub-10% US market share and a sub-8% world market share "popular"?
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:33 pm

Since when was a sub-10% US market share and a sub-8% world market share "popular"?


Since it's the definition of popular? I'm not understanding your confusion. Maybe I speak from a purely Uni. standpoint where everyone seems to have one...
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:54 am

Since it's the definition of popular? I'm not understanding your confusion. Maybe I speak from a purely Uni. standpoint where everyone seems to have one...


"Popular" suggests that people actually use them. As DEFRON and I both mentioned Macs have a very small (almost insignificant) slice of the computer pie and therefore are not "popular".

I think what you mean is "trendy". Prada is trendy, but no one uses them because they are too expensive. Likewise, Macs are trendy, but no one uses them because no one designs software for them.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:58 am

Since it's the definition of popular? I'm not understanding your confusion.

Popularity would be defined by a majority (the reason it is called "popular" is because it comes from the latin word popularis for of the people) so it most certainly isn't popular by definition.

Maybe I speak from a purely Uni. standpoint where everyone seems to have one...

Maybe your Uni, but mine has only about 30% penetration I'd say (if that), so it still wouldn't meet the definition of "popular"
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