Stendarr vs TG and DB would have been great. Definitely a missed opportunity.

dagon isnt evil, he is just the prince of destruction (which is needed), none of the princes are evil unless you would also call a dream or natural disaster or death or any of their spheres evil, no conept in TES is evil (not even sithis [he is choas incarnate, not what the brotherhood [who are just assassins, not evil, welll...none but the few who treat the brotherhood like a cult to a god they dont know (sithis)])

I don't care what the technicalities are, Mephala is an evil [censored] and that is all. Also not a big fan of Boethia or Molag Bal, but I guess I can't call them evil since that's just preference. No matter, Mephala is an evil [censored], and I cannot stress that point enough.

isnt she the prince of nightmares? im not 100% sure of her sphere, but she is one of the more nasty ones, not evil though

Skyrim degresses from the traditional Elder Scrolls [if your ever playerd ARENA, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion you will see what I am refering to. Many of the Deadra are Evil. But some are down right righteousis [Azura , Meridia] but no longer.. The number of spells and other wondefull system that were used form game 1 were removed by the All Knowing Monkeys with Hammers. In the origonal games the Dark Brotherhood could be avoided, or fought off constantly. The Thieves Guild in Oblivion was the RobbinHoods of the erra.

As long as your not useing a 64 bit system or WIN7/Vista you can run the older games [Morrowind ,Daggerfall] in compatability mode on an XP or 2000 system. Oblivion shows what the game was really like befor those pesky MwH got ahold of Skyrim.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy Skyrim , I just don't think of it as an ELDER SCROLL game.

Hopefully they will have the ASPCA take care if the animal problem befor they start another area of Tammriel.

Actually the horse Shadowmier after the last patch can die. I have gotten it killed a number fo times [haveing to revert to a saved game to retrieve it.]

Since most people have forgotten what good and eveil are here is a reminder:

GOOD: What you want others to do for you , and what you should do for others.

EVIL: What people do to others befor they can do it to them.

If you want some "good" quests, check out the vigilants of Stendar. I haven't got around to it yet, but it seems like they will have some good quests for paladins/clerics/etc.

Nope. The only time you interact with the Vigilants of Stendarr during a quest...

Spoiler

...you end up killing him at the behest of a Daedric prince who's quite angry that his shrine is being pooped on by a priest of another Daedric prince. The princes in question are Molag Bal (prince of domination and slavery) and Boethiah (prince of lies, assassination, treason, and other such infidelities.) Definitely not good quests.

Vaermina is the Daedric Lord of nightmares. Mephala is secrets and lies, and is a patron of the Morag Tong. I think she is also tied to interpersonal relationships. The wiki considers her to be one of the "good" daedra.

Even Boethiah, Lord of deceit, muder and battle, and my patron Daedric Lord, is considered a "good" Daedra. Boethiah and Mephala being considered good may owe in part to their part in teaching the Dunmer, establishing their culture and setting the basis for the Great Houses in Morrowind.

So the hundreds of quests that have you saving folks, doings good deeds and otherwise helping the people of Skyrim don't count as good? If anything I think there needs to be more evil, like joining up in a bandit group and attacking traders.

ah, thank you (sometimes i get gods [other than the ones any of my characetrs worship] mixed up) but the dunmer are idiots, mephala is not good (she is not bad but she is not good, not even azura is good, nor my patron gods sheogorath, hircine and sithis can be conidered good)

Bethesda doesn't have talented writers and "dark" or "evil" content can be appealing to people despite how cliché or simple it is.

You are the one killing women for no apparent reason. I'd say you are evil, not the game. Also destroying the DB is one of the best loot catches in the game, plus the reward for doing it, about the best money quest in the whole game.

Why so much evil?

Because it Rocks. \m/><\m/

Good: That which is morally right; righteousness.

Evil: Profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, esp. when regarded as a supernatural force.

But in her Skyrim quest she lies to you to try to get you to kill an innocent that is heroically risking his life to save the towns people.

That doesn't sound very good to me.

This is my first Bethesda game and as far as I can see the entire plot is overwhelmingly slanted towards evil characters and it is virtually impossible to play as a good one. I started out as a merchant fighter with a kind of simple moral code... I will fight to defend myself or in war but not to slaughter innocents for personal gain. I am an honest merchant and I don't want to steal but I will drive a hard bargain. At this point a bunch of Daedra, and a variety of cults and guilds have tried to recruit me, and the vast majority of them want me to kill innocents and steal from honest citizens. I am uncomfortable with both sides in the civil war. All the Daedra want me to sacrifice someone for my personal power. The thieves guild and DB of course are dedicated to immorality, but I try to join the Companions and they turn out to be werewolves; I tried to join the Vigilants of Stendarr and they're not recruiting and actually attack me for some reason (maybe because I accepted some Daedric quests by accident.) So far I have found like 2 quest lines that are really "good"...the quests for Mara and the one for Kynerath...and those are very shallow. I enjoyed the Blades until they demanded I kill Parthunax, and proved themselves no better than the Daedra. I am allowing this character to kill bandits and necromancers and undead without guilt...but as a player I have reservations. I'm the Headmaster of the College of Winterhold; should I really be slaughtering necromancers on sight like some superstitious Nord? Why can't I talk to the ones I encounter? Why can't we negotiate? I'm an Officer in the Imperial Guard and feel its my duty to protect the citizens from bandits, but even armed with a pile of Harmony scrolls and 2 Calmiing staffs, I can't seem to get any of these bandits to every surrender without slaughtering them. I just got a quest from the College of Winterhold to find a book, which is being held by an Argonian treasure-hunter. I can steal it back, or fight for it, but why can't I just tell this Argonian what I want and buy it with my 90 Speechcraft and my unneeded 80,000 septims? Yes, this game is EVIL!

Or Vigils of Stendarr vs. The Companions. They hunt down Werewolves, too. After I heard that, I've been waging a quiet war against them. It is my duty as a member and the Harbinger of The Companions.

he is not unholy... he is nothing... he is the void...

wel hes kind've everything evil, only he isn't, he is nothing...

he's a confusing person...

I run win7 64bit ultimate. Both Morrowind and Oblivion run just fine on it without compatibility tweaks. Daggerfall and Arena must be run using DosBox.

If it wasn't for Sithis (Padomay) Mortals wouldn't even exist. The Mundus would't even exist.

What I don't understand is why the Daedra didn't agree to help Lorkhan. Aren't the Daedra the essence of change? Wouldn't they want to change what existed?

You don't get to save that many people though... So many quests where you go to find someone and find their cold corpse with the quest marker hovering over it. Mocking you. There's only a couple where you get to "save" someone. Some I've only heard of in passing. But far more where you find a dead body, or several with a tragic note attached. And even with the MQ you never really get to feel like a hero. Yes, you save the world... technically. But I never really felt much of a threat from the dragons and Helgen is never repeated anywhere else, regardless of if a Dragon spawns there or not.

I'm not sure on that whole thing, but I wonder if it wasn't perhaps the way Sithis presented it....

To the OP's question of why there is so much evil in Skyrim, it may be because the developers think it is cool. Or they may feel that darker and edgier content demonstrates their artistic integrity and refusal to water-down the game. Or it may be an occupational hazard of the game development industry, to become blase about psychopathic behavior. Or their audience may demand and expect it. Or they may feel that it makes for better gameplay. Skyrim is largely about combat and we the players are quickly bored and crave different and ingenious ways of killing people, so in that sense, going over to the dark side actually gives you more options for varied kinds of action. I also suspect that the developers want players to have the sense that Skyrim is a dangerous place, because risk and danger make the game more exciting and therefore more fun.

Let me get this straight: You open by telling us how you murdered a woman in cold blood, and the you follow up by saying you're not one to partake in "evil" activities like the Dark Brotherhood?