Part 2 of the ongoing thread.

you should post a link to the original thread, just so people can start from the begining.

Continuing my conversation with another:

The Aldmeri Dominion isn't just a few elves. They took on the entire Empire. I am pretty sure they can take on one man. The Dovahkiin was born to stop Alduin, but he can't survive hundreds of trained Altmer.

Agreed. Even with the voice one person couldn't take an army like that even if they did summon reinforcements. Eventually they'd fall.

That and Dovahkiin can side with either side, so Dovahkiin shouldn't be taken into account.

Something people need to learn is the difference between "asset" and "informant/agent/ally". An asset is someone who serves your cause on certain terms. Ulfric is weakening the empire and is so serving the Thalmors cause. However, the Thalmor do not want a Stormcloak victory any more than an imperial victory which in the end means that as soon as Ulfric wins the civil war the terms for him being an asset expire and he becomes the leader of a nation that is openly hostile to the Thalmor.

Truthfully, it would depend on the nature of the battle. If they banded together all at once, yeah, he wouldn't fare so well. But in guerrilla warfare, the Dragonborn would be an invaluable asset, capable of single-handedly wiping out entire encampments.

Yeah, but it's one guy with an army behind him. Keep in mind, this is fantasy, where a small group of heros can change the course of a war aka every action movie ever made, unlike in real life

Also true. Basically the Civil War is pointless.

But dovahkiin shouldn't be taken into account, he can side with either side.

Exactly. But the argument behind that is, who was the one who started it? I am thinking it's Mr. Jarl of Windhelm.

If the Empire 'loses' to Skyrim it only strengthens the Aldmeri's vice grip on them. Leading th AD to attack Skyrim for what they would claim is treason even if Skyrim wasn't 'united' under the Empire.

Pointless? I doubt it. I can see two good things coming from it, one for each side of the conflict.

1: A nation openly hostile to the Thalmor who also openly worship Talos, hence weakening their chances of unmaking the world.

2: A major wakeup call for the Empire. I think it is needed.

Corrected that for you

That's usually a sign that its a good game

By murdering the... ^High King. How couldn't a war not start out of that act. I truly don't know.

I think it would still take a long time for thalmor to stop all of the tower, and it all depends on the next emperor.

It doesn't make it pointless, it turns the war into a matter of principle, where the politics doesn't matter, so in a way, it makes the civil war less pointless.

The Thalmors goal is too destroy the world and ascend to a higher plane of exsistence. In order to prevent that Alinor must be taken eventually.

As far as I know, hasn't it always been a big deal Summerset Isle is a xenophobic Altmer only state? I may be mistaken. There may be men there, but not actual Empire territory to foot an invasion from.

In the long term the liberation of Skyrim is a priority, but in the short term I think that it is in every mans (and some Mers) best interests that the best Nordic armies are at the front trying to take Valenwood or break off the offensive on Hammerfell. It is easier to drive an occupying army back with a united force rather than various states concentrating on defence.

Also, Alinor is a country. It is more than capable of supporting itself (and more importantly it's navy). It isn't communist, therefore there isn't the hit to productivity that the Soviets suffered from. Not to mention that the economy in Tamriel is different.

The AD would play hell in that. They can't even secure a foothold WITH the imperial presence. What makes you think they could successfully invade Skyrim, in open confrontation, while simultaneously fighting a front in Hammerfell? Real life is against you man. The most efficient military industrial complex in history couldn't achieve that feat.

I don't think it is as simple as giving the blame to one man, seeing how the Ulfrics ambitions(to deny that he have ambitions for the throne in naive IMO), the Empires actions against him in the past, the White-Gold Concordat and the "dormant" attitude of the Empire all play a major role.

They don't need to invade Skyrim they can just sit inside Summerset Isle and play political game pitting empire against kyrim while they regaining strenght even further.

Pointless in the meaining of bloodshed.
1.Besides the Empire is still bleeding from the GW which wasn't that long ago so they can't exactly 'wake up' that quick.
2.People can secretly worship Talos in the first place, what the Thalmor don't know won't hurt 'em.
3.A nation divided.....

The war is pointless.

True, it can go all the way back to the Aldmeri Dominion that started the fire.

That depends on whether they are concentrating their force or not. There is no reason for them to risk a larger presence that would make many Imperial supporters side with the Stormcloaks. The Empire is a much friendlier face for the Thalmor to use as their occupation.