why why why? make dlc's exclusive? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Tue May 10, 2011 11:25 am

they did it for the money. its nothing new really

ps. do you guys like my new avatar

» Tue May 10, 2011 12:42 pm

I have an assumption about this issue which I believe is a good one. For FO3 the PS3 was still in a precarious situation. People thought that the unit was doomed to die a rapid and overpriced death. Creating DLC is a very costly enterprise and publishing it onto the consoles is also a costly step. I can almost hear Bethesda planning meetings about how expensive it would end up being if they pushed out the DLC on PSN and then the PS3 vanished. Then the PS3 took off like a shot. FO3 sold exponentially better than expected on the PS3 and PC. Now New Vegas comes along and they probably don't want to repeat the same mistakes...but wait! Well crap! If we release the DLC equally what reason is there for anyone to buy FO:NV on the 360? I mean 360 users have to buy a rather expensive subscription to XBOX live and THEN the DLC as well? Well we know that it is gonna sell like hotcakes on the PC and the PS3 so why not do a little preemptive strike on lack luster 360 sales and make the DLCs "exclusive" again. SURE THING BOSS!!! GREAT IDEA BOSS!!! WE WILL GET RIGHT ON THAT BOSS!! Hey guys do you think the boys over at MS will have a problem with this? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

Also it could have been that M$ made it known that either they got "exclusivity" or they wouldn't allow the DLCs to be placed onto XBOX Live. M$ does indeed reserve the right to block content from their servers. I can't see Bethesda actually snubbing Sony fans and PC gamers because they make more money from those two.

that is very true and makes a lot of sense actually.. its just annoying knowing the fact that is not just one dlc, we have to wait for all (potentially 5 again maybe?) of them to come out before we even get the first one?

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:29 am

Obsidian just makes the content, Bethesda is the publisher, they are to blame.

Bethesda only, Obsidian have nothing to do in this bad bussines

First off, Bethesda SOFTWORKS is to blame, not the Bethesda Game Studios who made Fallout 3. Know the two Bethesdas are separate companies.

it doesn't make sense to me either, but I'm going to buy it later anyway (ps3.)

Don't. That's why Bethesda Softworks does this. They make money from Microsoft, and still make money from DLC sales on the other platforms. Boycott the damn thing. You're being the enabler by buying this. Make Bethesda Softworks regret their decision. Wait a minute, there's no point in arguing, is there? They do this because they know people will still buy the DLC, and people just don't do anything about it. They need to do something about it.

» Tue May 10, 2011 11:21 pm

Simple answer is that it makes good business sense to do so.

And I'm sure they've crunched all the numbers and looked at all the results from FO3. It still makes good business sense to do so.

Well, probably only from the money Microsoft throws at Bethesda for exclusivity.

What I find weird is that Microsoft does this after the game has been released.
Exclusivity won't garner you many console switcher if you announce it after the game is available to all platforms and the largest influx of buyers has happened.

» Tue May 10, 2011 10:51 am

Well, probably only from the money Microsoft throws at Bethesda for exclusivity.

What I find weird is that Microsoft does this after the game has been released.
Exclusivity won't garner you many console switcher if you announce it after the game is available to all platforms and the largest influx of buyers has happened.

No but they can say 'hey look at us Sony, we're more powerful than you. And hey Sony fans, if you switch to us you'll get more premium treatment in the future because we can and Sony can't'.

I mean we got Black Ops and this and those are some heavy hitting exclusives among others. I don't know how often Sony gets exclusives, and it may be I just pay attention to Xbox, but to me it seems like Microsoft is able to get more done than Sony. Not to start a console war....But I mean we got Final Fantasy and now Metal Gear so....

» Tue May 10, 2011 1:34 pm

I don't like anyone platform getting stuff before another one does, however, with DLCs I can wait. Not sure as to why this is being done this way, but I would hazard a guess that this has more to do with Microsoft than with Bethesda. I can't see Bethesda/Obsidian coming up with this on their own.

I have plenty of mods to go through if the game becomes boring by the end of December.

» Tue May 10, 2011 4:22 pm

it's simple dear watson: Microsoft>Sony. Microsoft pays alot of money. Alot. Alot. Alot, of money. I can see Bill gates whispering in an ear 'give us exclusive rights to the DLC, we'll make it worth your while! The PC has mods and the PS3 doesn't matter."

» Tue May 10, 2011 12:30 pm

Because they HATE US!

I honestly have no idea why. If they were paid by microsoft to do it, man.. did microsoft get screwed. It's definitely not going to make me run out and buy an Xbox that's for sure. In fact... Im gonna go buy a Wii just BECAUSE they did that... so

» Tue May 10, 2011 8:11 pm

Because Microsoft thinks that by having XBOX exclusive or timed DLC it is going to convert people over to the XBOX but it's dumb cause PC gamers don't like playing on consoles and PS3 gamers just prefer it over XBOX. I know I do even though games like COD and Fallout get little support. So its really just a waste of money by Microsoft and an annoyance for gamers of other systems.

» Tue May 10, 2011 4:00 pm

First, they get a large amount of money from Microsoft. Then, they release the DLC on other platforms later and still make money from those sales because, even though there are people who do lose interest by that time, there are people who would still buy it after the timed exclusivity. They do it because, in the long run, ZeniMax gets more money.

In addition to whatever co-op money Microsoft is providing to help promote Dead Money, staggering the release dates for DLC also creates multiple opportunities to promote the original game. Any announcement with new stills, gameplay footage, etc., will certainly be picked up by all the gaming websites. Each DLC release date is also an opportunity to pitch re-promotes of the original game (refreshing orders with more units for each store) to the important retailers.

» Tue May 10, 2011 6:09 pm

I can see Bill gates whispering in an ear 'give us exclusive rights to the DLC, we'll make it worth your while! ..........

:whisper: Bill Retired. Blame Ballmer instead.

» Tue May 10, 2011 7:53 pm

New Vegas is still selling about 100 000 copies a week on Xbox.

You don't think MS has something to gain announcing exclusive content for a major title in the weeks leading up to Christmas? Can you imagine how many copies of the game and how many consoles are sold during the Christmas season?

And not only does MS get a cut of the DLC sales, and the game sales, they also get a cut of any game sold to anyone who is influenced to buy an Xbox by this deal.

They're not after converts from Sony, they're after new customers and customers who own multiple consoles.

» Tue May 10, 2011 10:45 pm

New Vegas is still selling about 100 000 copies a week on Xbox.

You don't think MS has something to gain announcing exclusive content for a major title in the weeks leading up to Christmas? Can you imagine how many copies of the game and how many consoles are sold during the Christmas season?

And not only does MS get a cut of the DLC sales, and the game sales, they also get a cut of any game sold to anyone who is influenced to buy an Xbox by this deal.

They're not after converts from Sony, they're after new customers and customers who own multiple consoles.

Well you'd think the Kinect is their main source of gaining new customers. I still see it as a touting of their power more than something they think will ultimately net them a lot of money. Though, again it makes them look like they can better take care of their customers and provide them with content than the other guys so I'm sure that helps.

In the end it's not some evil plan by Microsoft, it's business. It's likely that Sony put a bid in too and they just lost.

» Tue May 10, 2011 8:00 pm

What about us poor PC players? :cry:

» Tue May 10, 2011 1:10 pm

Well you'd think the Kinect is their main source of gaining new customers. I still see it as a touting of their power more than something they think will ultimately net them a lot of money. Though, again it makes them look like they can better take care of their customers and provide them with content than the other guys so I'm sure that helps.

In the end it's not some evil plan by Microsoft, it's business. It's likely that Sony put a bid in too and they just lost.

I commented earlier but after thinking about it for a bit something hit me. I've had a Playstation since the PS1 came out and these exclusive timed DLC isn't going to change my mind about switching over to an XBOX so I'm my mind I could care less but there are so many kids everyday that are console virgins and are at that point where they need something to pop out at them that is a deciding factor and hearing that the biggest games of the year have exclusive releases on XBOX that just may be the thing to make them over look any cons that the XBOX may have. So in all it is more strategic and financially beneficial in the long run.

» Tue May 10, 2011 12:10 pm

Micro$oft paid for it, why else?

The question is: why does M$ keep dissing Window users?

» Tue May 10, 2011 6:33 pm

Well you'd think the Kinect is their main source of gaining new customers.

Eggs. Basket.

What about us poor PC players? :cry:

Supporting us makes money for no one. Valve won't benefit because they already have an exclusive on content delivery. MS won't benefit because the DLC does nothing to sell OSes and they get no cut of game/DLC sales. Bethesda does profit, but their profit is likely to be the same even if they delay the DLC to PCs.

Beth's main promotion toward PC players is the release and support of the GECK.

» Wed May 11, 2011 1:33 am

The question is: why does M$ keep dissing Window users?

Probably the only reason Fallout 3 DLC was released on the PC as the same time as the 360 version was because it used GFWL.

Now, all versions of NV use Steam, so that will be used for DLC distribution.

» Tue May 10, 2011 6:04 pm

Anything to pinch a few extra bucks out of the consumer...

Funny thing is I would not be surprised if someone out there picks up the 360 version just because it has a dlc released for it - scarier even if they own a copy of it on another platform. :facepalm:

» Tue May 10, 2011 10:40 pm

You do realise that one way or another the add-ons will make it on to the PC right? More than likely they will release them like they did when FO3's crap-ons with the GOTY edition..

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:14 am

What about us poor PC players? :cry:

We get the privilege of being those who kept Bethesda going long enough to decide to cash in on the consoles by tailoring their games for them, and sticking us with console-design interfaces made for viewing from across the room.

The privilege of being those who garnered Bethesda a repuation for highly customizable games...which can't be customized on the consoles they now pander to.

And the privilege of being able to fix (on our own, 'cause Bethesda damn sure isn't wasting any time on'em) all the bugs they choose to never do anything about, while leaving the console players they now pander to out in the cold stuck with said glitches and bugs.

"Fisto reporting for duty! Please assume the position!" :evil:

» Tue May 10, 2011 4:00 pm

You do realise that one way or another the add-ons will make it on to the PC right? More than likely they will release them like they did when FO3's crap-ons with the GOTY edition..

Right, but in principle its a real [censored] practice to treat your customers like this when they are all buying "your game".

Honestly, im not really bothered by the fact I don't have access to the dlc being that im on pc, never been impressed by any dlc i've been svckered into buying.

» Tue May 10, 2011 4:13 pm

Really dont care the xbox kids are getting it first, Juast give us a date for PC.

» Tue May 10, 2011 6:04 pm

Right, but in principle its a real [censored] practice to treat your customers like this when they are all buying "your game".

Honestly, im not really bothered by the fact I don't have access to the dlc being that im on pc, never been impressed by any dlc i've been svckered into buying.

How are they treating their customers badly? Look at it this way, what if the original release date was the PS3 / PC date and Xbox is just getting it early? That's not treating the PS3 or PC people badly, because they're getting it when they would've gotten it anyway, but if you own an Xbox you get privileged access. Everyone is going to get the same DLC, and it's going to be quality content, so just be glad you're getting any DLC at all.

I mean they don't have to do DLC, they could just be like 'you get New Vegas and that's it until the next game' but we're lucky enough to get little bonuses to add to the life to the game. Do you have to pay for them? Yeah, but before DLC existed you'd just be stuck with the game with nothing to do after you finish it.

» Tue May 10, 2011 11:09 pm

Really dont care the xbox kids are getting it first, Juast give us a date for PC.

If they are the kids, why are you pettily insulting them? Please, refrain from such things.