Yep, that's my opinion as well, Elder Scrolls is and always will be a gaming press favorite because they impress easily with their scope and insane level of detail. The other games are dwarfed although they may be better in some areas.

Rightfully so.

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It deserves it. Certainly wasn't as addictive as Diablo, that featured randomisation of spawns on every dungeons except the Boss, but it certainly was a game that allowed a single character build to take the most out of a single playthrough.

I have played all the TES series going back to Arena in 94 and I still have found Skyrim to be the best in the series so that is YOUR opinion and being 'Dumbed Down' is also subjective, I would call it slimlined... alot of what they removed I never used OR could understand WHY they removed it. You people make me laugh, the more Awards this game gets the angrier you get, chill out, realise the game is fantastic and move on!

I've played sence daggerfall and that means nothing a blind monkey could tell that this a "Dumbed Down" TES game.

I agree with the guy youre quoting here. There are lots of rants on this forum, but theyre mainly people who make a huge issue of something that is actually only a relatively small balance problem.
What all the ranters often dont realize, is that Skyrim in general is a VERY good game, even with those small tweaks it could use.

I agree.
Well go and play your apparently less dumbed down games then. Jesus.

dude don't play that card I could just as easliy say why are you here shouldnt you be playing skyrim i mean you love it so damn much.

Well call me [censored] mcsmaky pants if you want but I would rather be stupid and having fun then bored out of genius mind.

I'm seeing this more like a player-based meaning, 'out of character meaning' if I may say so. The choices are rather limited for my character and unfortunately they don't trigger different outcomes inside the game world as they should, but for me, the player, having so many customization choices and so much freedom means a lot when it comes to deciding which kind of rpg I prefer to play. It's some sort of placebo effect: I like to play a game where I'm offered a big amount of freedom and choices, although I know they are mostly cosmetic.

In my opinion the ideal format would certainly be TES level of freedom + reactive world + branched story (no other game does that for me yet maybe except New Vegas), and the lower format is linear game world + controlled story/deeper choices and consequences (most of today's AAA rpg's).

I played daggerfall etc too,and i know i hugely enjoyed those games. However you should also realize that no game can ever beat the joy you got from those early games, because they were completely new for you at that moment, even if they are much worse than the current games. This week i played dune2 again, and it just rocked playing them. But thats not exactly because theyre better than the newer rts games

I am just going to get TES 6 when the GoTY edition comes out and enough mods have come out that it will be enjoyable and I can customize it to my own liking. I like Skyrim but I DO NOT like the direction this series has been taking. I wish they would introduce MORE lore each time instead of less. Seems like each game had less and less original Lore. But that is just my own opinion. Seriously, what is up with people bashing other peoples opinions? All parties seem guilty of this for the most part except for few individuals. That is also an opinion.

Well, I go on the Skyrim forums to talk about the game when I'm not playing it.
You go on the Skyrim forums to complain about the game stating that other games in the series are better.

You're the one who seems to be going out of your way, not me.

You ranters should have played stronghold 3 when it came out (its still bad btw). It will give you some proper perspective.

I like an old video game with dated mechanics. That makes me smart. You like a game with different mechanics than the game I like. That makes you not as smart as me.



Am I doing it right?

complaing on a game forum is just as valid as praising it.

...How many Beth games ever had meaningful choice? Oblivion certainly has less than Skyrim, as does Arena. Daggerfall arguably had a bit more although with all the random quests there wasn't much to it (the devs even said they felt it didn't have enough). Morrowind has some choice though it's rarely meaningful, the rewards tend to be instant, and the game isn't quite as aware of world events as you'd think. Fallout 3 is the only Bethesda made game with any real meaningful choice, and it's considered inferior there to F:NV (not Bethesda)

Bethesda games have rarely had meaningful choice, though it would be a welcome addition

EDIT: Actually I just checked, Daggefall has none, barring the multiple endings. There is not a single thing you do in the MQ that was a choice until you get the totem, nothing that affected things in the long run (you could give a few quest items to different people, but the reward was instant, and only affected the broken reputation system). Other "choices" such as which Knightly Order you joined were very unimportant, as they all gave exactly the same quests.

It's just like some Steam person being interviewed mentioned Bethesda's dedication and support to PC platform. Now i give the Creation Kit as "support", but i don't really see the "dedication" Just PR speak.

But, "Good and evil. Choices, no consequences." has been the way it's always Bethesda's games i 've played have been (from Oblivion onwards).

I have to agree with the OP on this. Skyrim does offer choices, but most are meaningless.

For me, a game that can keep you playing it months after its released and still surprises you (in a good way) is truly a great game and no game does this better than Skyrim. It definitely deserves GOTY 2011!

I'll answer that with a question for you. Why do you take such issue with people that want to like it, that do like, that are happy playing it, that feel they do have choices. Maybe they aren't carrying RPG gaming history on their back, but you all want to criticize without dissent at all. You know how I know that? Because of how many sneering posts are in this thread, how many times "Dumbed Down" and its variations are used. People that genuinely like the game get called, in effect, stupid, for liking it, by some of your lights. And then you wonder why they snap back or want to defend the game.

Rock, meet Hard Place.

Keep the flaming out and personal remarks out of the thread if you would like to have it stay open. That goes for both sides - whether you like the game or dislike it.

He can express his point just like you....

If Skyrim is the best game for them, they missed a lot of good stuff this year.

Exactly how is the game showing less lore? I don't even know where you could get that from...

Until that's allll you do. Then you become a troll who shouldn't even be on the forums. It's a video game. Find another one.