Is it wrong to want to secede from the Empire? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:08 pm

The only way the empire will grow to be strong again is with a total reboot. Most people realize that with the status quo going as it is humankind will be wiped out by the Thalmor. The empire talks a good talk but they are NOT 'secretly' rebuilding faster than the Thalmor. Something needs to change.

everyone seems to overlook that fact about the empire not rebuilding faster than thalmor, im glad someone other than myself acknowledged it. the truth of the matter though, is that the empire is not rebuilding at all, the thalmor kill off important targets daily and are on the verge of crippling the giant without even fighting.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:54 pm

All the elves want is to exterminate human kind.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:20 pm

Secession is always tricky.

How do you perceive Skyrim's politics? Is it like America seceding from the British Empire? Or is it like the Confederacy trying to secede from America?

Niether, both of those had to do with money.

Skyrim or rather Stormcloaks try to pull the cloaks over everyones eyes and make it seem as if it where for principle but in essense Ulfric is a power hungry dip (I enjoyed watching him sulk i sovngrad on a youtube vid) and Bethesda realy capitalized on Nord ingorance.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:25 pm

On paper, it would seem that the Stormcloaks are fighting a hopeless battle, though that is why my Nord joined them. It's always fun to take down the dominant power, and this is a videogame, therefore things don't have to be logical. Heck, the dragonborn could take them all down by themself.

If the Nords were to be successful in their secession, they'd need the other nations of Tamriel to fight the Imperials as well. I don't see them winning on their own. Cyrodiil, being in the center of Tamriel, would face attackers on all sides and have nowhere to go.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:04 pm

If the Nords were to be successful in their secession, they'd need the other nations of Tamriel to fight the Imperials as well. I don't see them winning on their own. Cyrodiil, being in the center of Tamriel, would face attackers on all sides and have nowhere to go.

I think the Empire is stretched to thin as it is to hold Skyrim. Most of their troops are probably tied up defending the south against the risk of another Thalmer invasion. As for the rest of Tamriel, Elsweyr and Black Marsh have already broken away, Morrowind is in ruins, the Thalmor occupy half of Hammerfell, High Rock is probably still full of squabbling petty kingdoms. So its pretty much just Cyrodiil and Skyrim left as the most powerful regions in the empire.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:22 pm

Is it wrong to want freedom from an oppressive Empire who's being puppateered by a group of Elves who want to kill you and remove your race from the realm of possibility? no, no its not.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:41 am

No, I don't think it is.

Humanity would be stronger if they worked together as an alliance instead of one (the Cyrodiils) dominating and coercing all the others. An alliance of free nations is stronger than a union of oppressed peoples.

Good to see someone else get it.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:16 pm

Maybe the better question is "which path will bring the provinces of the empire back to fight together sooner - acquiescing to cyrodiil and the WGC or breaking away with plans to rejoin once the empire realizes they cant win by being a thalmor puppet".

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:09 am

Yes it is wrong and imo Dragonborn w/call dragon would probably be a strong factor in driving the thalmor back.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:08 am

If the Nords were to be successful in their secession, they'd need the other nations of Tamriel to fight the Imperials as well. I don't see them winning on their own. Cyrodiil, being in the center of Tamriel, would face attackers on all sides and have nowhere to go.

They wouldn't be alone. The redguards have already thrown off the Thalmor yoke.

Some more Stormcloak victories and the whole Empire would revolt, Is my guess.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:52 pm

The current Empire is weak. It has been since Martin Septim sacrificed himself so save Tamriel from Mehrune's Dagon. Now that the Dragonborn has returned, he/she needs to take his/her place as the rightful Emperor/Empress and relight the dragon fires. Only then with a reunited Empire under the Dragonborn's rule can we once again bring peace upon Tamriel. Face it the old Empire has fallen. May Talos guide us.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:29 pm

The current Empire is weak. It has been since Martin Septim sacrificed himself so save Tamriel from Mehrune's Dagon. Now that the Dragonborn has returned, he/she needs to take his/her place as the rightful Emperor/Empress and relight the dragon fires. Only then with a reunited Empire under the Dragonborn's rule can we once again bring peace upon Tamriel. Face it the old Empire has fallen. May Talos guide us.

I kinda doubt that's what Beth has in mind. That's actually a pretty dead-end scenario from "my" Dragonborn PoV - I don't WANT to be Empress, thanks. And being the ruler would mean I'd NEVER have any fun....

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:17 pm

No, I don't think it is.

Humanity would be stronger if they worked together as an alliance instead of one (the Cyrodiils) dominating and coercing all the others. An alliance of free nations is stronger than a union of oppressed peoples.

Agreed!

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» Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:08 pm

The current Empire is weak. It has been since Martin Septim sacrificed himself so save Tamriel from Mehrune's Dagon. Now that the Dragonborn has returned, he/she needs to take his/her place as the rightful Emperor/Empress and relight the dragon fires. Only then with a reunited Empire under the Dragonborn's rule can we once again bring peace upon Tamriel. Face it the old Empire has fallen. May Talos guide us.

WOO-HOO! U said it!

i do not see why anybody thinks they need to be under the Empire to fight and win against the Thalmor, i think that would make u more likely to be sold out again for one of their peace treatys protecting THEM and NOT You! LOL

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:49 am

I kinda doubt that's what Beth has in mind. That's actually a pretty dead-end scenario from "my" Dragonborn PoV - I don't WANT to be Empress, thanks. And being the ruler would mean I'd NEVER have any fun....

YOU don't have to PLAY as the emperor. It could just be canon that you become it. However, I doubt this will happen

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:52 pm

everyone seems to overlook that fact about the empire not rebuilding faster than thalmor, im glad someone other than myself acknowledged it. the truth of the matter though, is that the empire is not rebuilding at all, the thalmor kill off important targets daily and are on the verge of crippling the giant without even fighting.

The thalmor aren't directly killing off targets-they are using the stormcloaks

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:20 am

The Emperor is NOT weak, play a certain questline and you will find out he is the bravest person in-game.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:42 am

The thalmor aren't directly killing off targets-they are using the stormcloaks

they probably are, its the entire reason they issued the ban on talos ven though they know for a fact everyone will still worship him, just to give them a reason to kill anyone they want

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:29 pm

the Thalmor occupy half of Hammerfell

The Thalmor left Hammerfell after they were fought to standstill and signed the 2nd treaty of Stros M'kai.

I would like to see a free alliance of the former human provinces of the empire plus Morrowind with some assist from inside dissenters to take down the Thalmor. I think that is what has the best chance of doing so.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:01 pm

The thalmor aren't directly killing off targets-they are using the stormcloaks

So they didn't send assassins after me in Riften or out in the wild? Those were just people pretending to be thalmor?

Pretty good act, they really had me going.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:29 am

So they didn't send assassins after me in Riften or out in the wild? Those were just people pretending to be thalmor?

Pretty good act, they really had me going.

Heh. Good point.... though I guess my Altmer could dress like a Thalmor and be taken for one - if this were an MMORPG. Which, thankfully, it's not....

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:52 am

They wouldn't be alone. The redguards have already thrown off the Thalmor yoke.

The Thalmor left Hammerfell after they were fought to standstill and signed the 2nd treaty of Stros M'kai.

And they did it with curved swords! Curved. Swords.

I would like to see a free alliance of the former human provinces of the empire plus Morrowind with some assist from inside dissenters to take down the Thalmor. I think that is what has the best chance of doing so.

This. Allies vs. the Axis.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:44 pm

I really don't think it's necessarily a bad thing but I think they might wanna take down the Aldmeri Dominion first as they seem to want to conquer everyone and make elves rule over all and no human races have any say over anything by their standards...

I agree.
There is nothing inherently wrong with deciding an independant Skyrim is best, or even go further and want to give the Reach back to the Forsworn.
But there are greater concerns to be dealt with, and a united Empire stands a greater chance at opposing the Thalmor.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:11 am

I don't tink the Empire should exist. I also don't think I should have to sleep every day. But I do. It's an inescapable necessity, the empire. I do think any resistance is futile, because once the Empire is destroyed, inevitably, a new one will rise. While they're here, I'd prefer to be on the winning side.

» Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:48 pm

I really don't think it's necessarily a bad thing but I think they might wanna take down the Aldmeri Dominion first as they seem to want to conquer everyone and make elves rule over all and no human races have any say over anything by their standards...

Actually, you missed the main point there.... The main thing with the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion is to simply wipe humanity out of existence. And Talos out of divinity.