On a positive note on spells, they scale according to your level,perks,etc and anyway, many spells in Oblivion were just the same with just another vallue.
but yeah, the choice of spells has been lowered.

Except, no, the magic system has been completely butchered.

Sure, they added some nice visual effects, I'll give them that. But the massive lack of spells and spell creation makes this elder scrolls game the worst elder-scrolls game for magic users.

That might be fine for you, but for someone who wants to play a mage or a hybrid magic user, and has any form of rational thought, this is not acceptable.

I'm disappointed with some of the spell losses (Most notable: Summon Skeleton, Ghost, Wraith, and Lich - I enjoy summoning supernatural spirits; as well as Command Human / Command Animal).

But I adapt, I work with what's available instead of comparing it to what was, I make my character within the confines of the game instead of [censored]ing about what Game X or Game Y did, and in the end when it comes right down to it, while the losses are disappointing, what I see is a game that gave me more than I've ever had in this series.

There is nothing wrong with giving feedback, why are you so narrow-minded in that? Do you think we will break their heart or something?

It's way more messed-up to "adapt" to a lack of options and not give feedback about them, than plain ranting. If everyone continued to "adapt", in a few years games would be come as shallow as they can possibly get with only a handful of options. Besides BGS have stated in the past that they need feedback.

how many spells are there anyhow, I mean you can only have 8 spells/weapons/items on your 1-8 keys to switch with anyhow, so you cannot use em all at once anyway

Except, no, I like Skyrim's magic system without Spellmaking better than I do Morrowind and Oblivion's system with it.

Spellmaking really isn't all that it's over exaggerated to be around here.

I play a mage heavy character, and I would appreciate it if you didn't insult my intelligence because I actually like and appreciate what I have instead of mindlessly whining and crying.

When the losses to the series are actually significant, I will complain. As long as they are petty and mundane, I will continue to "adapt". Especially when every installment gives more than it looses.

If you are trying to say there is more in this magic system than ever before I'd say you are the one trying to insult others intelligence. But hey that is just my opinion on the craptastic magic experience in this game. We lost tons of spells and gained it looks good, dual wielding is a gimmick given how little it adds to game play and even with the spell effects we have there are gaping holes in the system. The magic system took one tiny step forward after falling back dozens of yards.

If you are trying to say there is more in this magic system than ever before I'd say you are the one trying to insult others intelligence. But hey that is just my opinion on the craptastic magic experience in this game. We lost tons of spells and gained it looks good, dual wielding is a gimmick given how little it adds to game play and even with the spell effects we have there are gaping holes in the system. The magic system took one tiny step forward after falling back dozens of yards.

*chokes on his food and spits it out with wide eyes*

Yes, 23 times less spells is nothing. We can complain about a lack of spells when it gets worse.

Yea since when do I play a TES game for variation anyways... no seriously, the ammount of spells in this game is a disgrace

Why would you not want warivariety? I hate myself for bringing this up but... do you play on console?

You're correct about that other poster. I'm not entirely sure if he's even playing the same game.

Best to just ignore posts like that.

23 times less spells? What are you rambling about.

Oh, you mean including all the spells that have different name, but do the same exact effect? Like the numerous spells I encounter in Oblivion that all Open Average Lock, but are all under a different name, so they count as a different spell?

Yeah, that's not a loss of any significance, sorry, try again.

1.) It's not feedback when people are mindlessly whining and crying about how Bethesda is A. lazy B. "dumbing down" the game C. "console gamers are ruining gaming", etc...

2.) It is not feedback when the people making the complaints insult anyone who enjoys the design decisions (look in this very thread, where it was stated that anyone who accepts the new system is incapable of rational thought) - there is a blatant elitist, superiority complex with the people who feel the need to "complain" about the game, and if you don't recognize that, then you are more "narrow-minded" than you accuse me of being for the simple fact that I like the game we got.

3.) How many times do the same complaints need to be made, over and over and over and over again? It is impossible to make any other threads around here and have any actual conversation about the game. I made a thread a couple days ago about a very valid in game discussion that was bumped to halfway down the second page in MINUTES because of all the whining, complaining threads popping up complaining about the SAME THING.

What's funny is that in this very thread, I expressed a disappointment with something in this game. Yet you don't get that, and think I'm just on some made up Bethesda Defense Force, because I expressed my disappointment in a mature, rational way instead of whining and crying about how Bethesda is the worst thing to happen to the gaming industry because they are so lazy and just dumbing the game down for the Call of Duty kids (another elitist attitude that is insulting - as if first person shooters are somehow a lesser form of gaming than RPG's)

I have no sympathy for, and lend no credibility towards, the incessant whiners, because that's all they are doing is whining, crying, and [censored]ing about every minute detail.

When the losses to the series are actually significant, I will complain. As long as they are petty and mundane, I will continue to "adapt". Especially when every installment gives more than it looses.

Are you so narrow-minded that you can't comprehend that some people actually LIKE the direction the series took, and feel it is BETTER than previous installments?

Lock. Unlock. Water walking. Levitation. Burden. Feather. It goes on and on.

You should hate yourself for that, as what system I play on has nothing to do with anything in this conversation.

I play a mage heavy character, and I would appreciate it if you didn't insult my intelligence because I actually like and appreciate what I have instead of mindlessly whining and crying.

Agree people are overreacting. They gave us some REAL spells rather than multicolored orbs. I enjoy have a frost sotmr actually be a froststorm rather than a blue orb that does 20 damage on target in 5 foot raidus.

Agree people are overreacting. They gave us some REAL spells rather than multicolored orbs. I enjoy have a frost sotmr actually be a froststorm rather than a blue orb that does 20 damage on target in 5 foot raidus.