Yes - Anybody with an opinion that rivals the masses is out for attention, that's completely it. I don't know how you can say the main quest had lots of dialogue and story - Had I only done the main quest I would have finished in 45 minutes, maybe even less.

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yeah i agree. DM story was alot better but it was jus very aggrivating with all the traps since the first time i played it i wasnt a stealth character... so i was dieing alot and was reloading more than i was actually playing. Either way they were both good, hopefully OWB will have a bit of both of exploration and story that way itll be a good mix.

Problem is, there is not 1 or 2 or 3 act, this not a Bioware game where every part of their games is divided in acts or chapters and everyone of these have a particular story

Its not an argument, its a point of view, whether this DLC was worth the money is totally subjective



Fallout Tactics is canon, what is not canon and a controversy is "The Burned Game"

a 3-5 hr download is still worth 10 dollars.

I won t be real happy if thats all it takes me, but I won t come on here yelling "rip off" either.

Bethesda says main events in fo tactics are canon. Just not tactics 2 "the burned game "

You remember how Dead Money had the ending where you and Elijah storm the Mojave and take it for yourselves, but that ends the entire game?
They should've had an ending for this that lets you settle down in Zion, because honestly I can't see why the Courier would ever want to leave.

Acts 1, 2, and 3 aren't solely for video games, nor are they only for certain types of games.

Any good story has 3 acts. Act 1 shows your protagonist living his normal life, be it living with his family in a village or going to a 9-5 job, and usually ends up with something going wrong, sometimes referred to as "the big question". Will the character defeat the dragon? Will the character hunt down the man who robbed his home? Something along that line.

Act 2 involves the character gathering what he needs to answer "the big question" be it tools, companions, information, etc... That's where a lot of gameplay in games comes from.

Act 3 is the climix. The character answers the big question, all issues get resolved, and sometimes you see the after math of the stories events.

Bioware didn't invent the 3 act formula, it's been around for ever. It's in movies, books, television shows, stories told around a campfire, etc... Just because the game doesn't say "THIS IS THE FIRST ACT" doesn't mean it doesn't have an act. For example, Fallout 3's first act was the tutorial. You see yourself grow up in a vault, mingling with the people he has known his entire life, and then leading up to the big question. Will the lone wanderer find his dad? Act 2 is where the gameplay is, wandering the dessert, finding information, growing stronger, etc... And act 3 was originally taking the purifier before broken steel.

i missed that :unsure:

hey egnar - i've got 10 hours on HH so far and haven't beaten it once :dance: and i'm LOVING IT :laugh:

so i think its fair to say i got MY moneys worth...but i guess the CAD out-values the USD right now so that makes sense LOL :rofl:

You thought dead money was better than honest hearts? I thought the other way around. To each is own I gues.

Same here. I've got nearly 10 hours play time in Honest Hearts, and am just not at the point of

I think I've gotten my ten dollars worth out of it as well.

I wasn't aware coming onto the source forums to voice a concern without extensive caps being used was considered yelling - While you may not agree I think I pointed out what I [and although a minority] feel to be valid concerns - I didn't come on here and say "LOL THIS svckS", please give credit where credit is due. I'm not some novice to video games or to forums who thinks that my time or money is worth more than anybody elses or that my word is law, this is simply my opinion.


That's great, and you know what I guess I could walk around the endless emptiness of HH for 10 hours too, but, it wouldn't change the fact that what the DLC actually offers is the equivalent of a map to walk around on, a story that is 45 minutes long [without any kind of side quests or anything else], weapons that are really just carbon-copies of weapons already offered but reskinned and a few useless Perks - I say useless because when I looked at them I said "meh, that's ok I guess but this one is so much cooler". . .You may have a different opinion but I feel very little thought went into this DLC and it was the equivalent of free mmorpg developer promising an update for months but not working on it until the day before the update was set to be released. [now before people try to tell me how long this could have taken please read and understand the word equivalent]


Dead Money had a compelling story with several different Sidekicks all of whom had dialogue options that made you interested in what they had to say [especially the mute one!]. The game dynamic was hard to get used to at first but the idea of the exploding collars, which have been explored in movies in the past, was fairly different for a video game and made the story a bit more fun to progress. My only complaint was that even without the capability to properly wield the beartrap fists proficiently I used them as my weapon of choice throughout the entire DLC because they were still extremely effective compared to other weapons


Ya? And you know what, lets ignore every other part of the DLC and think about the story. What exactly did you do for the story, which is the meat and bones?

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Ah one of those; that counters compelling argument and logic with childish emotes and [censored] pictures, gotcha!

There isn't a logical counter to any of your opinions. They're opinions. They have no mathematically logical basis.

@Egnar

People have different opinions and tastes. Get over it.

Everytime someone says they've played for 10 hours or more, he dismisses it by saying the story is 45 minutes long. There's more to the DLC than the story. Hence the map. That also explains why he thought the items were carbon copies; he didn't take the time to explore and find the good stuff.

I literally beat this in 40 minutes...

I'm considering buying Honest Hearts, but from the sounds of it it's not that great. I remember playing the Fallout 3 add-ons and I was sick of them by the time I finally got through. Looking back now I would love to go through all of them again. After playing Dead Money I couldn't wait to get through it. Looking back now I hope I never have to play it again (fortunately I got all of the achievements).

you killed chalk by mistaque at the end of the first bridge that is probably why you beat it so fast :cookie:

Egnar, you give some very good points.

The story was subpar, but I think if you were you were to take your time and wander about Zion for a while you may be impressed with some of what you'll find. Pay particular attention to caves that the tribes have marked as a no go area with white hands. The survivalist's story is very interesting.

Also, the weapons are a lot of fun. I can see how you would think many of them aren't very different, but use them for a while. They're unique, I promise.

i have to agree the main quest is a lil short, but if you love fallout you will like HH, on a side not finding all of the survivalist story and bouth armour and unique rifle will probably be harder than beating the main quest so take your time enjoy the DLC cuse if you go jumpimg head on to the main quest you will be disapointed

All I have to say re:time is that I pay $20+ for a decent large pizza (I don't personally include Domino's in that category), which lasts me & my spouse about 12 minutes. Or $11 for a theater movie. Heck even renting an on-demand 90minute movie on Comcast to watch on my not-theater-size TV costs $5-$8. It's the economic state of the entertainment world today (tho there are always exceptions of course). Vanilla FNV can be beaten in 5 hours or 25 hours, or 35 hours. I took closer to 50 hours. What does this mean? It means nothing, except people play/do things at different speeds & spend different amounts of time doing different things in the game, even if they aren't "rushing" the main quest and even if they haven't explored every nook & cranny.

If one doesn't like the depth & breadth of a given story & doesn't care too much about "exploring", that's opinion/preference, not fact/logic. You didn't like it, fine/great, you've said so, maybe a developer will notice your opinion, maybe not. Now go play something else (or the vanilla NV or DM or whatever you want) and move on. I never see the point of going on and on about stuff like this for days...but that's just me.

I really don't know how you could go through it that fast, I've played it for about nine hours now and I'm not finished with the story yet.
I'm absolutely loving it, so I'm not rushing, exploring and doing side quests too.
Really I feel it's more than worth the price tag, Dead Money had it's moments, but I don't feel it's nearly on the same level as Honest Hearts content wise.