Plot hole: Serana knows the province as Cyrodiil, that name comes after Reman...

No, no. There is a time before the Empire even existed. The Alyssian Empire isn't even the Empire that rules now, but Serana is from a time before there ever was an Empire of any type. She even says so in her dialogue: "Empire? What Empire? There's an Empire based out of Cyrodiil?" So she is clearly "alive" from sometime before there was ever an Empire, and was locked up before Alyssia began her conquests of Tamriel.

So Alyssia started her conquest of Tamriel in 1E 242.

From 1E year 0 to 4E 201 = 4451 years.

Alyssia didn't start her conquest of Tamriel to create the First Empire until 1E 242: 4451 - 242 = 4209

This puts Serana, Lord Harkon, and Serana's Mother (because her name escapes me at the moment...), at a minimum age of 4209+ years old. And that's only if they got "changed" in the same year as Alyssia starting her war effort. Most likely, they were changed well before that.

Since during the dialogue with Serana, you find out that they were created during Molag Bal's "Summoning Day" festivities where they summoned Molag Bal himself to Tamriel for a day. Since they had to do the Summoning, then this timeline says that it would have to have been during the Merethic Era and not as early as the Dawn Era (since during the Dawn Era the Aedra and Daedra could walk Nirn freely, the fact that the Cult had to summon Molag Bal means that the barrier had already been put up and the Daedra weren't free to wander).

Now we don't know when in the Merethic Era that the particular "Summoning Day" festival took place, but the Merethic Era is noted (currently) to be 2500 years of time.

So Serana and her family are anywhere between: 6709 - 4209 years old (Beginning of Merethic Era {ME 2500} - beginning of Alyssia's Conquest of Tamriel {1E 242} - Present day {4E 201}).

Plot hole: Serana knows the province as Cyrodiil, that name comes after Reman...

Ooooooh. That doesn't necessarily mean that she is younger than what has been proposed. All that means is that she was alive during the Reman age.

Erm, where does the no, no part come from? I'm aware there is a time before the Empire existed, and that they arn't the same Empire. I also know about the Walking Brass the siege against Alinor. That Talos is a combination of three rather than just Tiber Septim. Ect, ect. I may not be the biggest lore buff, but i'm not a newbie to it either. =D

Perhaps I just phrased my post badly.

Thanks for the information however, it does support the family being that old. It's hard to see them as that old, even though it was my first thought too. They just don't give off that feel, or at least Serana doesn't. But I supposed being sealed away and sleep would do that.

Thats mainly the reason I was trying to fnd another slot int he timeline they coudl be placed.

I wonder how she calculated that she is over 4k years old. I mean, she doesn't know how long she sleept.

EDIT: Nevermind...

IMO she was born in time "between" empires, early Reman maybe, before he was proclaimed emperor by Akaviri ? Her father is wielding katana, however the sword could be obtained by him later.

And like you and others had mentioned, it is very possible she was born, lived, and was changed between the time of the Reman and Alyssian Empires.

If that is the case, then she would still have no knowledge of an Empire as there wouldn't have been one during her lifetime or even before she slept.

However, in rebuttal, through out the Vampire side of the expansion you are given the opportunity to ask her questions to get more info on her and her family.

She mentions that after they were changed, they lived as a happy family for centuries before they started to grow apart and her father heard about the Prophecy. they dealt with it for more centuries until it was obvious that he was being driven mad by it (in her and her Mother's opinions).

Just the sheer amount of time she mentions spending as an awake Vampire (but still with no knowledge of a Cyrodiilic based Empire) leads me to believe that she lived, was "given" to Molag Bal, existed as a Vampire, and was shut away in the crypt well before either Empire existed.

It's might be stupid what i will say now, but: Time doesn't exist for someone immortal, probably she lived soo long that she loosed count, on days, weeks, months, years etc. She mightsay it was centuries, but in fact it was ony for example 136 years.

It's might be stupid what i will say now, but: Time doesn't exist for someone immortal, probably she lived soo long that she loosed count, on days, weeks, months, years etc. She mightsay it was centuries, but in fact it was ony for example 136 years.

those briasts will never corrupt me.
i wanted to sacrifice her to end the tyranny of the sun as soon as i seen her,and still do now.

I wanted to side with harkon even if he wanted to kill me. In my rp he was my master. I liked serena but I would never betrayed lord harkon and yet when I speak to him at end my only choice of dialog is something like "I will stop you harkon" Cant remember but it gave me no chance to reason or side with him. Totally ruined my rp.

By the way your post was written, it confused me into thinking that you were of a different mind about it.

I apologize for my misconception.

And like you and others had mentioned, it is very possible she was born, lived, and was changed between the time of the Reman and Alyssian Empires.

If that is the case, then she would still have no knowledge of an Empire as there wouldn't have been one during her lifetime or even before she slept.

However, in rebuttal, through out the Vampire side of the expansion you are given the opportunity to ask her questions to get more info on her and her family.

She mentions that after they were changed, they lived as a happy family for centuries before they started to grow apart and her father heard about the Prophecy. they dealt with it for more centuries until it was obvious that he was being driven mad by it (in her and her Mother's opinions).

Just the sheer amount of time she mentions spending as an awake Vampire (but still with no knowledge of a Cyrodiilic based Empire) leads me to believe that she lived, was "given" to Molag Bal, existed as a Vampire, and was shut away in the crypt well before either Empire existed.

Dont you think assumption is sort of a stretch.....?

And Dragons...

Yes, I tend to agree. She could, I suppose, be forced between the two Empire's if Bethesda say thats correct. However, i'm more and more convinced she is pre-Alessia.

Since they had to do the Summoning, then this timeline says that it would have to have been during the Merethic Era and not as early as the Dawn Era (since during the Dawn Era the Aedra and Daedra could walk Nirn freely, the fact that the Cult had to summon Molag Bal means that the barrier had already been put up and the Daedra weren't free to wander).