You don't know much at all about the Lore do you...

Dragons have been in the Lore. The Elder Scrolls prophecy from the Lore actually did foretell of their return. It also told of the coming of the Last Dragonborn.

the Vampires history is much like the Dark Brotherhood and the Molag Bal. It's all shrouded in mystery simply because of who they are.

Bethesda has actually stuck to the Lore more than you could ever know. Aside from the powers of the Volkihar, they've been very true to the Lore, and have actually expanded on it to take some of the shroud off of some of the mystery. The Lore is even deeper now because of Skyrim and the Dawnguard Expansion.

Fact checking before posting is usually very helpful.

So, I have slght OCD tendancies, and I need an answer to this, or at least a guess that seems right.

I've been thinking about how old Serana, and Harkon, are. However as i've only watched a lets play of the Dawnguard side I haven't got to converse with Harkon a great deal and wll be focusing on Serana.

Serana when she wakes seems not to knwo the Empire. Furthermore, when you state the Cyrodillic Empire, she seems stunned that Cyrodiil is the seat an an Empire. This... is where it gets tough. With a couple of gaps there has been an Empire since the Merethic Era. A Cyrodillic Empire at that. She doesn't make it sound like she is suprised there is one now, she is suprised there is one at all.

Am I just misunderstanding her? Perhaps i'm wrong, and the Empire was in one of ts 'collapsed' states she she was simply suprised it was back. I find this very unlikely though. I still feel she was suprised there was an Empire in Cyrodiil at all.

That would put her at older or as old as figures like Vivec, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, Dagoth Ur and even Divayth Fyr.


A little mini-timeline I made to try and find somewhere she could have 'lived'.




So. If she is became what she is and years later she was sealed away around the time of TESO, she would be more than 998 years old. Unlkely because of her suprise. If she was born in the unknown period between the First and Second Era, then She would be over 1500 years old. However, I still thin she was born in the Merethic Era, which puts her at over 4000 years old.

I just find it interesting how Serana carries herself. She has none of the gravity of the Tribunal, and noen of the world weary wisdom of Divayth Fyr. Then again, I suppose Harkon does seem every inch the ancient Vampire, and she has been locked away potentially most of that 'whichever' age. I'm still going with 4000. When we release her our hand is spiked and bleeds; I assume the blood funnelled down to her, and woke her from a sleep. Or Torpor as other vampire sources would put it. So while ancient, mentally she is just 'young' (we ahve no idea the space between her becoming a Vampire and her sealing) and out of touch.

So. Thoughts? It seems a pretty interesting thing to discuss, though perhaps better suited to copy-pasta in the Lore forum when Danwguard is more widely released.

More things that I might have missed on the Lets Play would would be interested. Things said by the family and other Vampires. Things we can sue as time markers.

Her being 4,000 years old make sense, but another question is during the sun dial quest, she mentions that her mother hated it but never torn it out, and how it was left their from previous owners. Who owned the Castle before them. It had to be elves.

If it was pre-Alessia she'd probably have a lot more to be surprised about, The Dwemer being gone, no Daedric armies marching across the world. Dark Elves would probably be a big surprise for her.

The Reman Empire finally collapsed in 2E 430, Tiber Septim would not be born until 830. This gives us over a four hundred year window between Empires for Serana to have been born and spent centuries as a vampire. However when she was born isn't relevant, of she was born in at the dawn of the second era and sealed away at any point before Tiber Septim's conquest of Tamriel. If she spent four centuries in an Era without an Empire waking up and finding there is one would be a surprise.

When she was born really isn't the issue its when she was sealed.



Daggerfall(3rd Era game) has summoning days for daedra. To do the daedric quests required you perform a ritual on a given day. For example Summon Molag Bal on the 20^th of Evening Star. So its simply referencing a day of the year not any era.

Umm, I'm just going to point out that she's been in that coffin since the time that dragons still existed, hence why Durnehviir is in the Soul Cairn until Valerica dies.

Then if you take into consideration all of the dialogue from Serana, Valerica, and Harkon, and the surprise of the fact that there is a Cyrodiil based Empire, that places the best references of time that Lord Harkon sacrificed his Thousand Innocents and Valerica and Serana did "the dirty" with Molag Bal, deep within the Merethic Era.

I say this because the first Empire was founded two full centuries into the First Era.