The second (patch 1.2) will, we are assured, fix the texture issue - but Bethesda are sticking to the 'its only a problem if you install on HDD', so maybe the other low res textures most of us are reporting are actually inherent 'best' textures, not bugs. Comment Bethesda (I doubt it)?

However, as there is no quest fixes I'll be hanging up my horned helmet untill further patches come through - as I'm stuck on the ones I've undertaken and don't want to tackle anymore that have reported bugs - I may even trade the game in before its second-hand value drops.

Oh and I'll not buy another Bethesda game till I can see by the forums that all or most / bugs / issues / problems have been patched... so that'll be how many weeks / months after the launch (and probably a used copy)?

Mimimal comment from Bethesda, compared with Skyrim's pre-launch...... No apologies.... Doen't help...

Yeah, I'm waiting for a fix on 'Season Unending'. I'm not ranting though, I understand its a big game and stuff. All I ask for is a little bit more communication

I don't have any issues running it from my HDD. No texture issues at all.

I do have to say, this is a huge game so not everything will get fixed right off the bat. Do what I do, find new things to explore and do until the fixes come.

I'm still going to play and I'm still going buy their games at launch because I know Bethesda can't devote every waking moment to fix bugs. I understand and know from some experience that it's a pain in the butt to search through lines of code trying to find an issue when you don't even know what it looks like.

All people see are pretty pictures and lights. No one sees all of the scripts and commands holding them together.

I don't even think they properly FINISHED this game. I know I'm giving it a huge break until some more issues are fixed. Practically no quest bugs are being fixed, no housing issues fixed. The one good thing they have patched is the annoying ass arrows and other projectiles staying in you. But there are a lot of things that need to be dealt with. They had that cool release date that they wanted to make, 11/11/11, so I think they rushed and got sloppy. And for the guy that's said he's had no texture issues, you must be the ONLY one. I know my graphics look like Goldeneye from the N64 at times. Hopefully they'll read more into their forums and see the other bugs/glitches. There aren't even any GOOD glitches in this game like in Oblivion.

I installed the game to my HDD launch night, and haven't had the texture problem. He isn't the only one.

Yes, i'm waiting till the next patch. The amount of glitched quests is appauling to me. I have one on Purity of Revenge for the companions, so i can't finish their quests, and the Theives guild one, and the main story. It's ridiculous and breaking the game for me

Well fortunately for me I spend a lot of time in this section of the forums so most of the major bugs I knew of ahead of time and have been able to work around them. I have had Lydia just stop and refuse to move another inch, lost a couple hours there but it's no biggie to me. Also I have had the texture issue a very few times, just texture-less helmets or other items shown during loading. And I haven't decided if the really crappy looking snow covered boulders in wilds is intentional or is the texture bug.

BTW, those worried that since they didn't specifically mention texture problems for those of us playing from the disc means its not fixed. I would bet that the root problem causing bad textures is the same regardless of whether or not it's installed. Just happens to be worse when installed, or takes longer to have an adverse affect when playing from the disc.

I too am a bit disturbed by the lack of communication with the community, granted I have seen worse (Atari anyone).

I would think that it wouldn't be soo hard to atleast make us think they're listening. Have a dedicated Mod to this section of the forum, who can foward commonly reported bugs to the Dev team and post letting us know when a bug has been reported.

Agreed. Bethesda have yet to learn that PR should extend after launch and include problems its 'customers' are voiceing. A sorry or some explanations would go along way... Maybe a 'we are all in it together and are doing the best we can for you' would be a smart move.... Lots of us are interested in the 'making of' a game, so maybe an explanation of bug hunting / fixing would be interesting - instead it looks like Bethesda are in denial about the bugs in Skyrim....

Errr, I hope Bethesda ARE devoting every WORKING moment to fix the bugs!
But they are probably working on DLCs - I wonder if the first one will be released before the majority of the bugs are patched?...

I have done some bug testing for business software and it is labour intensive and boring. However, if its not done, and all, or the majority of bugs, are not found, customers in business will spank you hard financially. That, I suppose, is what some game developers may see as the difference between corporate buyers and gamers...... You can get away, to a large extent, with selling the latter a poorly tested product..... I wonder if such developers have more 'bean counters' than testers...

As to your comment 'All people see are pretty pictures' well hopefully, as far as Skyrim is concerned - after 1.2 patch...

Is there even going to be another patch? Oblivion never got past 1.2, I think there going to start working on DLC at this point instead of patches.

That was my idea a few days ago, but I'm now running out of un-bugged things to do.... Problem is I do like palying the game very much....... It has the potenial of being a classic....

It would be nice to have some kind of update in regards to the reported bugs and the proposed fixes, but I think some of the expectation is a little silly. Expecting large-scale bugs to be fixed within less than three weeks of retail is a little much. Especially given that they need to be identified, investigated, and replicated before they can even begin to work on a fix. On topic, I haven't run into anything game breaking yet, so i'll be playing until I do. Given the size of the release I would be surprised if Beth wasn't working hard to resolve these issues, and resolve them properly. Pushing out a half-assed patch to make it look like their doing something isn't gonna help anything.

yup, which i'm disappointed about it really, was enjoying the game so might trade it in and buy it cheaper at a later date as i doubt i'll get much play time on it when the patch is finally realeased

I defiantly agree, this would all be a lot easier if Beth would just come out and really acknowledge all the problems and start spreading the hope and joy around. Give us frequent updates on how things are going. But they're being really quiet.

People already talking about "1.3" or whatevere they call it, and 1.2 isnt even out yet. Obviously more and more problems crop up over time and the patch we will be all getting this week was not knocked up in a day. They more than likely finalized the patch notes this time next week. So obviously they can't just fix everything on the fly. So glad I didn't play Fallout:NV when it came out, playing it now with all the updates and DLC right now. What an awesome game and i'm Sure it will keep me playing until another more substantical "bug fix" patch comes out for Skyrim.

I like to think it's cause their busy with the fixing process haha.

Agreed. I guess they are working hard to repair their faulty product.... would nice if they confirmed it.

'Expecting large-scale bugs to be fixed within less than three weeks of retail is a little much.' Agreed. But how many years has the game been in production? Bethesda hardly have a track record of bug-free games so you'd think they'd have tried to deliver as usable a game as possible for the sake of their reputation.

The 1.2 patch does resolve the two major problems that Skyrim has for PS3 and Xbox gamers, so I don't have an issue with them for pushing those fixes out as soon as thet could.

However, I do think their PR department should man-up, hold their hands up, say sorry and start to interact with gamers on this forum. Not very good are they? Maybe I'll send in my CV... Bethesda have a problem that I can fix...

Fallout NV is still severely crippled, i've never seen my Xbox crashed so often since i play this game. I won't buy such an unfinished game no more.
Skyrim doesn't need more technical update, we just want them to solve many quests issues remaining.

I am. I give up though I doubt 1.3 will be the one to wait for, more like 1.8 or later if they ever get that far.

I already hit a bug in Winterhold where I could not start NPC dialogs to proceed with quests. I replayed about 6 hours on that one.

I just got him by the Helm of Winterhold/Purity of Revenge bug and am stuck on the Companions quests. I cleared out that dungeon long ago and while I have a save, I would have to replay 8-9 character levels to get around it.

I also have the glitch that prevents me from getting the title of Thane in Riften as well as several other less blocking "glitches."

While yeah, bug fixes take time, many of the glitches are not random occurrence. They result from simply playing the game in an apparently untested (and not particularly illogical) sequence. They absolutely would have been caught if the game had not been rushed and properly tested. Many of them are completely reproducible, don't require millions of people playing to find, and there is no valid excuse for their presence at launch.

I'm done tip toeing around in this "amazing game." I'll wait until they get it fixed as it should have been PRIOR to accepting customers' money. This is definitely the last time I pickup a Bethesda title right at launch.

No if only I could have my money back to spend on a game that works until this one is fixed....

It would be nice. But with all the situational events and triggers in this game, not to mention the content, there are just too many individual scenarios to play test when looking for bugs. When you consider that many of the bugs (quest breakers) do not appear to be a majority issue, it's understandable how they slipped through playtesting. 3 million users will find bugs more than a solid year of playtesting with 50 people.


This I agree with totally, it doesn't seem that they are doing the best job of keeping the commnity updated. Granted, there are hundreds of posts to sift through every day to check for feedback, but a consolidated board that is moderated by a Beth employee would go a long way IMO.

Well I think I've been pretty lucky. I was doing fine until yesterday, when at about 69.5 hours in I got a game freeze that required the 360 to be reset (have the 250GB slim). Since then the game has locked up at least 6 times tonight.

I was in Whiterun at first and it kept freezing as I was approaching one of the shops there. So first I cleared the 360 cache, no effect. Then I deleted and reinstalled the game to the 360 HDD, again no effect as it was still crashing. So I then reverted a couple of saves back, deleted a few and left Whiterun and the game seemed to run fine for about 4 hours. Although the game was hanging a little as I approached Riverwood. I'm now in Riverwood and it keeps freezing when I try and talk to the Riverwood Traders sister Camilla Valerius or Faendal. I cut the total saves down to 8 + 3 autos but it still crashes when I talk to either of them.
I then deleted the game from the HDD, and tried running it from the disc. Still crashed requiring 360 reset.

I think I'm going to call it a night, and hopefully try doing some other quests tomorrow without it freezing. Fingers crossed the next patch will fix the problems I've been having.

Patch 1.2 doesnt help me.

So... I still can't leave my house in riften?! So all my stuff is still locked inside forever ruining my experience? And all my other houses including this game breaking riften house still explode into a terrible mess on every entry?

These are common game breaking bugs. But atleast the rare ones I'll never experience are resolved. Atleast I can get married without a dead body showing up now. But wait, if i get married where will I live, without crashing my game?!

PS: If your going to patch anything related to houses and carls. Which I certainly hope you do, cause my skyrim experience is svcking right now. Please fix the "bug" or "as designed" lame feature, where the house carls REALLY desperately must default iron armor. I cant even get her to use leather on my team, and would like her to be dressed up at home, if not in my team. This is really lame not having this feature, as it would make a house carl even somewhat worth while (1 more maniquin and living one at that!! and a female at best!)...

But regardless it wouldn't help me to have this feature until my houses stop crashing on exit, and exploding on entrance...

Stupid having houses and carls in this game at this point... BROKEN BETHESDA!!

Your carl wont equip the leather because it has less Armor rating than the standard steel armor they have already....

I don't understand where these huge glitches are that everyones complaining about or even the texture issues, the only major one I've seen is the No Soul glitch. I don't have it installed on my HD and I'm running it on my HDTV on 720p without a single bad texture... Battlefield 3 I've seen plenty of bad textures, though.