Assassin's Creed 3

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:32 am

Well, it is made by a French/Canadian company, so I wouldn't think there would be that much bias.
Every person has a bias no matter what. It's all about whose lens they're looking through. In this case it's a French/Canadian company so your guess is as good as mine to how they portray who. We have to remember this is a work of fiction so it's not going to be historically accurate. It's like a Dan Brown book, it has interesting ideas and uses real things/people but it is a work of fiction.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:29 am

The bombs were an added thing to the game that added clutter. I don't recall using any bombs during any of the sequences and they weren't needed. I did play with them after the game was over and other than the few achievements that were linked to using them, it was kind of pointless. As for the hook letting you run past enemies, I have no idea what that was about. If there was ever a guard waiting to cut me down a simple jump and I was past him. The only useful thing that the hook was good for was traveling from building to building by the rope. It maybe made climbing a second faster as well opposed to the regular jump. The game is clunky because it has everything the other games have and more. There is too much at times. My map was decorated in tons of things that I had no idea what they were. I had no sense of direction as to what I should be doing and controlling Ezio while climbing can be a real hassle. Often times he jumps for no reason or he goes the complete opposite way he is supposed to be going. There wasn't much variation from ACII-Revelations and the things they did add were nothing that amazing except one thing and that was started in Brotherhood with the ability to call on your assassins and train them. The minigames added like tower defense I could have gone without. The game is not terrible. The story was great but the gameplay is too cluttered and overwhelming at times.

There has been evidence that suggests that Thomas Jefferson had relations with his slaves and it is quite possible. It is not that uncommon. The history of slaves going back to when the slave trade was ending shows that slave owners would go to great extents to make sure their slaves were having kids. More kids means more slaves which translates to more free labor/money. They did it to protect their businesses. This game takes place before the end of the slave trade in the United States which ended in the early 19th century. At this time the slave owners were seeing that it was cheaper for their slaves to have children opposed to just buying more and it was also easier to train them. Now back to the point, this game is probably not going to have slaves in it directly and the fact that some founding fathers may or may not have had relations with their slaves is irrelevant to the game. I don't see how there could be any "American Propaganda" when it's the Redcoats vs Bluecoats and we obviously know who the winners were.
The gameplay feels better than previous games to me at least. I will say that the controls are a bit clunky for many instances but I really cannot think of anything else that has better controls that lets you climb all over a city. The jump thing is annoying though.

I am aware of how the slave trade went about its business and that is was very much a business. I admit I never really thought much on the transition from bringing slaves over as opposed to 'growing' them yourself. :dry: But that is what was happening at the time. I guess I just don't want to see George Washington idolized as some great guy with very few flaws when he was actually quite human. I would like them to take a risk on the truth. Show what those times were really like and not sugar coat the living crap out of it. It is very easy to put propaganda into the game. Make the British look like mindless drones of evil and the Americans as paragons of virtue and it is done. They could also make the issues surrounding the Revolution be obscured and Black and White when the issues were very grey and most people were split on which side to be on. It was not Red Coats VS Blue Coats. I am sure you are aware that it was more complex than that. There were multiple people fighting on either side who didn't really want to be fighting and there were many people who just flat out did not want to choose a side. There were neutrals and supposed loyalists and rebels mixed all throughout the colonies. It was not a clean and obvious war of X vs Y. I just hope it isn't going to come off as America was right and obviously the British are 100% wrong. That is the problem with Historically based games like this. They always forget something important and under-represent or exaggerate something else incorrectly.

I am just tired of using my imagination to come up with reasons why things are a certain way in these games i guess. Just kind of want to know if I should treat the game as 100% fantasy which ruins that alternate reality angle of this series or give them more credit to begin with. Some supposed historically based games almost require you to pretend it is not based on anything in the real world because they get things wrong. Assassins Creed 3 takes us into a whole new territory of History where nearly everything was well documented and artistic freedoms are going to be very restricted. The early renaissance and medieval times left them a lot of leeway for their plots. The whole 'Imperial' Age is a totally different beast and I hope they just can pull it off satisfactorily.

I am going to be buying the game. These are just my concerns.
Well, it is made by a French/Canadian company, so I wouldn't think there would be that much bias.
Doesn't mean much if they feel like they could make the game sell better by catering to peoples assumptions of how the all mighty and great 'founding fathers' were. However that right there is a mighty big assumption on my part, that I really don't think they will do, but I am wary of it. Seen it too many times in different mediums. 300 is a good example and so are a host of other movies that grossly misrepresent various points of history. Convenient that we demonize the Persians when the people who inhabit the lands they once ruled, who do look to those figures with rather high regard, are considered our enemies during the Iraqi and Afghan wars. There was a lot of criticism from those countries for that movie and how it represented the Persians and Xerxes with zero basis on history. Leonidas was likely much more of a monster than Xerxes and the Greeks were certainly a much less tolerant people than the Persians were. However that IS Hollywood so I give gaming industries a little more confidence. Though they are guilty of the same things, just not on as big a scale.

Every person has a bias no matter what. It's all about whose lens they're looking through. In this case it's a French/Canadian company so your guess is as good as mine to how they portray who. We have to remember this is a work of fiction so it's not going to be historically accurate. It's like a Dan Brown book, it has interesting ideas and uses real things/people but it is a work of fiction.


Yes therein lies the problem for me. This games is meant to feel kind of like it was an alternate origin story for the world so it kind of needs to get the main things right in terms of history for people to connect with it. That is how games like this work imo. They try to make people connect with them and think what if this somehow is what happened. What does it mean? Of course that is on a higher level as opposed to most people who purchase the game just enjoying the gameplay and story not the whole picture.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:03 am

Anyone else hear about the lawsuit an author filed against ubisoft. Essentially ubisoft completely ripped the story off a book this guy wrote, so there may not be an assassins creed 3 or its release date will be drastically delayed. I think they should just take out the Desmond parts and just make it and the future series about assassins and their order.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:45 am

Anyone else hear about the lawsuit an author filed against ubisoft. Essentially ubisoft completely ripped the story off a book this guy wrote, so there may not be an assassins creed 3 or its release date will be drastically delayed. I think they should just take out the Desmond parts and just make it and the future series about assassins and their order.
Is there proof?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:36 am

Is there proof?
The author wrote a book about a guy who was kidnapped, put into a machine so he could re live his ancestors past to find something, then the kidnappers are going to use what he found to help the government.

It is the exact same story, except the book came out first.

Thia is the book http://www.johnbeiswenger.com/author/link.htm

Basically he will probably get $1 million for copyright infringement, but if they find evidence that ubisoft knowingly copied the book the author will win $5.5 million.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:16 pm

The author wrote a book about a guy who was kidnapped, put into a machine so he could re live his ancestors past to find something, then the kidnappers are going to use what he found to help the government.

It is the exact same story, except the book came out first.

Thia is the book http://www.johnbeiswenger.com/author/link.htm

Basically he will probably get $1 million for copyright infringement, but if they find evidence that ubisoft knowingly copied the book the author will win $5.5 million.
Is their proof of copyright though or is it simply a similar basis with the whole accessing memories thing? Honestly if anything it seems like a pretty weak basis. Meh, guy will probably get 1 mil just to shut up.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:28 am

Is their proof of copyright though
Not really, no. As I understand it, the book and Assassin's Creed have very little in common, and the basis for how things work in the two settings is actually very different. (Assassin's creed is genetic memory, that book is about some sort of "soul particle.") The Book was also poorly received and not well read, with few copies sold, so it's unlikely that Ubisoft employees were ever exposed to it. The lawsuit strikes me as being like the hypothetical first guy to make a "horror movie involving a cabin in the woods" suing the guys who made "cabin in the woods" because both movies are horror movies involving a cabin, in the woods.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:58 pm

The gameplay feels better than previous games to me at least. I will say that the controls are a bit clunky for many instances but I really cannot think of anything else that has better controls that lets you climb all over a city. The jump thing is annoying though.

Make the British look like mindless drones of evil and the Americans as paragons of virtue and it is done. They could also make the issues surrounding the Revolution be obscured and Black and White when the issues were very grey and most people were split on which side to be on. It was not Red Coats VS Blue Coats. I am sure you are aware that it was more complex than that. There were multiple people fighting on either side who didn't really want to be fighting and there were many people who just flat out did not want to choose a side. There were neutrals and supposed loyalists and rebels mixed all throughout the colonies. It was not a clean and obvious war of X vs Y. I just hope it isn't going to come off as America was right and obviously the British are 100% wrong. That is the problem with Historically based games like this. They always forget something important and under-represent or exaggerate something else incorrectly.

The other games were not based off of a complex environment so I'm doubting they would do that. They also make the Templars and the Catholic church look not so great. I'm thinking it's going to be a simple game where it's Red vs Blue. I don't think the war is going to be the premise of the story though. It's going to be similar to Revelations where there are two enemies that are looking for you, but this time they're not working together. I can't do much more than speculate but the idea behind this game does spark my interest, I'm just deciding whether or not I want to buy this for $60 or wait. I can't imagine this game has too complex of a story though. It is not possible to make an historically accurate movie, it's not possible to cover every base in a historical book. So asking them to do it in a game is just simply impossible. I study history. It's what I do. The best way to do it is to read/watch everything you can on the subject before drawing conclusions. Nothing is simple/ cut and dry and most of what occurs on a specific subject is virtually impossible to represent in a short time such as a 2 hour movie.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:26 am

I was not asking for 100% historic accuracy. Just that what they do get wrong is not something so blatantly wrong that it really sticks out. I want to 'believe' I am in the Revolution. So long as it does not stretch my suspense of disbelief too much I will likely be fine with it. I too know a good amount of History. It is very possible to be historically accurate to an acceptable extent in any medium. Omitting is better than getting something blatantly wrong and misrepresenting it IMO.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:08 am

It is the exact same story, except the book came out first.
It's even about Assassins and Templars?

Or just accessing the memories of ancestors? If that's all it is, that's a pretty weak argument on the authors side
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:52 pm

I was not asking for 100% historic accuracy. Just that what they do get wrong is not something so blatantly wrong that it really sticks out. I want to 'believe' I am in the Revolution. So long as it does not stretch my suspense of disbelief too much I will likely be fine with it. I too know a good amount of History. It is very possible to be historically accurate to an acceptable extent in any medium. Omitting is better than getting something blatantly wrong and misrepresenting it IMO.
There are probably going to bend alot of history around to fit the story of the assassins and templars, so I'm sure that there will be things that are completely changed for the sake of the story.

Though, I doubt it will be a black and white story (besides that templar vs. assassins conflict)
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:39 pm

OH GOD.

I just saw the reveal trailer for the first time. Oh... GOD.

I haven't even played Revelations yet. I have it, I've been saving it. For a special occasion. As soooon as these freaking exams are done, I'm busting that game out and playing it 24/7.

I love the AC series. Love. It's the only series right now that has me as giddy as the old Final Fantasy games used to.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:07 am

Not really, no. As I understand it, the book and Assassin's Creed have very little in common, and the basis for how things work in the two settings is actually very different. (Assassin's creed is genetic memory, that book is about some sort of "soul particle.") The Book was also poorly received and not well read, with few copies sold, so it's unlikely that Ubisoft employees were ever exposed to it. The lawsuit strikes me as being like the hypothetical first guy to make a "horror movie involving a cabin in the woods" suing the guys who made "cabin in the woods" because both movies are horror movies involving a cabin, in the woods.
That is my take on it as well. It also begs the question, why is it that this wasn't brought up before. Assassins Creed is going on its fifth game. I don't think much can truly be made of the lawsuit.
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