[Nicola]

People would really buy an xbox and get a copy of skyrim to play a DLC? wut? why would anyone do that?

[~Sylvia~]

People would really buy an xbox and get a copy of skyrim to play a DLC? wut? why would anyone do that?

People that can't wait 30 days.

[Eileen Collinson]

Based off the reviews and problems everyone is having, I'm glad to not get it 1st. At least there is some semblance of bug fixing that could happen before the pc finally gets the steaming heap that is Dawnguard.

[Jason King]

Based off the reviews and problems everyone is having, I'm glad to not get it 1st. At least there is some semblance of bug fixing that could happen before the pc finally gets the steaming heap that is Dawnguard.

It's not everyone that's having problems. For most people it plays just fine. Yes there are some issues, some bugs/glitches that need to get ironed out, but they will be taken care of.

But all that posts like yours are doing is helping to fuel a negative stereotype that's being blown way out of proportion.

If you really think that Dawnguard is a "steaming heap" then just don't buy it. It really is that simple.

Why fuel the negativity? Why not be constructive in your criticism?

Or why don't you even try playing it first? You know, have actual knowledge on the thing that you're criticizing rather than just regurgitating what other people have said?

My curiosity abounds. Please, indulge me.

[Danny Blight]

It's not everyone that's having problems. For most people it plays just fine. Yes there are some issues, some bugs/glitches that need to get ironed out, but they will be taken care of.

But all that posts like yours are doing is helping to fuel a negative stereotype that's being blown way out of proportion.

If you really think that Dawnguard is a "steaming heap" then just don't buy it. It really is that simple.

Why fuel the negativity? Why not be constructive in your criticism?

Or why don't you even try playing it first? You know, have actual knowledge on the thing that you're criticizing rather than just regurgitating what other people have said?

My curiosity abounds. Please, indulge me.

Spending another 20 dollars on a game that so far hasn't exactly been running great when there's reports flying around that this new dlc will make things run even worse doesn't sound wise to me.

I feel it's far better to blow the negatives out of proportion than downplay them. Sure maybe not everyone is having problems, but I'm having problems with vanilla Skyrim, and I'd rather not have to play lottery with video games.

[Shelby Huffman]

Still isn't in either parties' interest. Why sell the game at a quarter of what they could sell it to you on other platforms? Your deal has either Bethesda or Microsoft taking a loss, and neither is going to do that. The 30 day exclusivity deal is a way of making a console manufacturer appear to be looking out for you, but really, it's just to try and persuade you to give them more of your money.

MS wouldn't take a loss? They sell their flipping consoles at a loss, as do Sony!

[Hilm Music]

Reminder: Linking VGChartz statistics is basically trolling. A lot of people instantly eye roll when they see the name.

ok ill change it

[Mark Churchman]

MS wouldn't take a loss? They sell their flipping consoles at a loss, as do Sony!

They gave Bethesda money to release their game 30 days early. That 's a loss.

[Marlo Stanfield]

They gave Bethesda money to release their game 30 days early. That 's a loss.

In the short term, yep. In the long term? Probably, but I doubt they are thinking in purely financial terms, I think they are thinking of market share. And the thing is, it HAS made some people jump ship. Market share in the long term trumps money in the short term.

[Emily Graham]

In the short term, yep. In the long term? Probably, but I doubt they are thinking in purely financial terms, I think they are thinking of market share. And the thing is, it HAS made some people jump ship. Market share in the long term trumps money in the short term.

They got me. I'll be buying a 720 when it's released next year. Not going to buy a 360 though.

[Chrissie Pillinger]

They got me. I'll be buying a 720 when it's released next year. Not going to buy a 360 though.

Hmmm I'm gonna wait on that one personally. Launch model consoles don't seem to fare too well... *looks at launch PS2 and early model 360 which both broke*

But yeah, not much point splurging on a 360 now either

[Emily Jeffs]

Hmmm I'm gonna wait on that one personally. Launch model consoles don't seem to fare too well... *looks at launch PS2 and early model 360 which both broke*

But yeah, not much point splurging on a 360 now either

I figure I'll wait to buy the next Xbox until 3-6 months have passed. That's generally when any problems have been ferreted out and there's a better model out or in the works.

Then I'll get two.

[gandalf]

I keep seeing threads like this on multiple forums for different games, everyone blames the game company for some reason. I don't think people are willing to rightfully so put their console company at fault, because it essentially admitting to a fault in something they've invested money in.

And no one can really hold a company responsible for taking an exclusivity deal, because the gaming industry is just that; an industry. It's a competitive market, and money is a driving force like in everything else.

[NEGRO]

hmm

[Jack]

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[Nathan Barker]

I figure I'll wait to buy the next Xbox until 3-6 months have passed. That's generally when any problems have been ferreted out and there's a better model out or in the works.

Then I'll get two.

My first xbox was bought around 6 months after launch then again, I made the mistake of thinking it was ok to stand it up how they were showing it. Little did I know >.<

Still, my old fat elite has taken gaming abuse and sticky toddler fingers in it's stride so far. It's just got to last another couple of years before retirement

[rae.x]

False. Do your research before making such a claim.

How is it false? They would've gotten DG on the same day or within a week, only it would launch for everyone.

Because doing it with the different prices per platform would be considered "Price Gouging/Fixing" in the U.S., and that is a type of business fraud that's punished particularly harshly by the U.S. Government. Even Microsoft can't beat that wrap, so we get exclusivity deals.

False. 360 players have paid for tons of DLC that PC and (sometimes) PS3 players got for free in patches. See: Left 4 Dead.

MS also forces updates to add ads. You're delusional if you think Microsoft even slightly cares about their LIVE customers.

Price gouging would be if they said; "Here's Bethesda's $20 DLC, but since it's an exclusive, and the only way you can get it is through us (Xbox LIVE), we're going to charge you $40 and you're going to like it." That's Price Gouging.

So was Left 4 Dead's major 360 update illegal?

Microsoft: "Oh, here's some free DLC. That'll be $20, svckers. Keep payin' for peer to peer multiplayer too, lol."

Hmmm I'm gonna wait on that one personally. Launch model consoles don't seem to fare too well... *looks at launch PS2 and early model 360 which both broke*

But yeah, not much point splurging on a 360 now either

In all fairness my launch PS2 still works. My RL friend has been through 4 360s though, one of which he had to buy because MS refused the warranty twice even though it was E74.

They got me. I'll be buying a 720 when it's released next year. Not going to buy a 360 though.

If you're perfectly okay with supporting these kinds of practices, sure. The 360 is one of the single most toxic gaming products to ever see release thanks to how M$ has mis-used the added influence and abused their closed platform. What could possibly go wrong if the next one is successful too?

Well, I guess we'll get to see if they follow through with their plans for in-game advertising. Supposedly it's only for loading screens, but I'm willing to bet a month later some hacker / modder would figure out and prove that the loading times are artificially extended to make sure the full ad plays.

In any case, I don't think Bethesda is faultless. I think Microsoft bears most of the guilt (you know, as the instigator), but to say Beth is innocent is a stretch since they are complicit.

[barbara belmonte]

and there's nothing wrong with that. It's business. And it's only temporary.

And as a customer, my way of doing business is rewarding those who don't practice business in such a manner by voting with my wallet.

[Epul Kedah]

False. 360 players have paid for tons of DLC that PC and (sometimes) PS3 players got for free in patches. See: Left 4 Dead.

That statement right there literally contradicts numerous things you have said. In your previous posts you show anger towards Microsoft for doing such terrible things like gaining exclusivity for a particular DLC, yet right here you admit Sony has indeed done the same thing. How does Sony differ in comparison to Microsoft iconcerning this aspect? Like I stated before, it's basic business, both companies do it.

Bottom line is Microsoft paid Bethesda extra to temporarily get the first two DLC's that are released exclusive to their console and their console alone. "Temporarily" is in bold font because the other systems will get this DLC. It's just a matter of time so there's no need to act like Microsoft and Bethesda are conspiring against users of the other systems.

You're delusional if you think Microsoft even slightly cares about their LIVE customers.

No, you're right, Sony cares about their consumers so much more...

If it wasn't for customers, the people who buy the product the company makes, then the company would not be in business for very long. Do you understand how what your saying does not quite add up? Customers are literally the driving force behind every company that puts out a product. I'm really not trying to argue here but you should understand the basics of business before beginning an argument based around it.

[Jeff Turner]

And as a customer, my way of doing business is rewarding those who don't practice business in such a manner by voting with my wallet.

Sorry to tell you friend, but that's what every company does. Especially video game companies. Doesn't matter which one either, both Sony and Microsoft are cut throats when it comes to money.

[Ann Church]

hmm

Be careful. Constantly posting this same message is a thin veil for a thread bump. The mods don't enjoy that.

Back on topic: Hate the game, not the player. Every business in every industry makes use of this practice to help gain an edge over their competition. Why is it now that people are finding fault with it? That's the question we should be asking.

[Trey Johnson]

Be careful. Constantly posting this same message is a thin veil for a thread bump. The mods don't enjoy that.

Back on topic: Hate the game, not the player. Every business in every industry makes use of this practice to help gain an edge over their competition. Why is it now that people are finding fault with it? That's the question we should be asking.

People want to play Skyrim's add-on. I could care less about any other Bethesda game. Even though Dishonored looks to be cool.

[RaeAnne]

Sorry to tell you friend, but that's what every company does. Especially video game companies. Doesn't matter which one either, both Sony and Microsoft are cut throats when it comes to money.

You would think they would want to get the exclusive on the vanilla game. Imagine if XBox got a 30 day exclusive on Skyrim back in November.

[Manny(BAKE)]

You would think they would want to get the exclusive on the vanilla game. Imagine if XBox got a 30 day exclusive on Skyrim back in November.

Ha! If that ever happend the amount of rage on the forums I dread to even think what it would of been like if skyrim got a 30 day exclusive deal.

[Quick draw II]

People want to play Skyrim's add-on. I could care less about any other Bethesda game. Even though Dishonored looks to be cool.

I'm not even remotely sure how this statement relates to my post that you quoted...

but we'll work with it? I guess?

lol