Beth and DLC Deals - Thread #2 (merged similar threads) : V

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:29 pm

Continuing from last thread.

In any event...

PS3 users have been in a cold fury for more than a month now. It has very little to do with Dawnguard. We wish we even had that luxury. What's really making us angry is Beth's complete silence on Patch 1.6. It's been a long time since the patch was released for Xbox and PC users. A month is no excuse, even for coding, to delay a minor patch for more than a month.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:51 am

PS3 doesn't even have patch 1.6 yet? I play on PC, but we got 1.6 awhile ago.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:34 am

As most already know this is Sony's fault, not Beth's

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:37 am

Delays in releasing a patch on a console mostly have to do with the console manufacturer's process for getting them approved. Apparently Sony is slow.

Anyone know if Valve vets patches for the PC, or do they just wave stuff through the door?

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:54 pm

Sony has a long running habit of not letting 3rd party developers either; 1) have their source code, or 2) hand out their source code in bits and pieces, not delivering the final bit of code until the absolute last minute.

I'm not sure why they do this considering that a developer isn't exactly going to steal PSn out from under them. Then you take into account all of the developer complaints (not just Bethesda) that tell how the PS3 is a nightmare to program on. The divided HDD and 6-cell processor don't make for friendly coding environments.

It's Sony's fault that the PS3 didn't get the majority of the DLC for Oblivion. It's Sony's refusal to try to counter Microsoft's offer that led to the 30-day exclusivity go through uncontested.

I own two Xbox's and have owned a PS3 since it launched. However, I play most of my games on the Xbox simply because of Sony's overly-paranoid business practices that screw over their own Gamer customer base.

That and Xbox has Halo. :wink:

PS3 may have a higher number of exclusives, but Halo is the console exclusive that every other exclusive wishes it could be. :biggrin:

But blame Sony, not Bethesda.

Bethesda did what any smart business would do to remain viable for many, many years.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:48 pm

If the delay was on Sony's end, I'm pretty sure Bethesda would point the finger at them by now. The difference between this patch and all the others is that Bethesda has always announced that they've submitted the patch to Sony for review and whatnot, while here the official word for a month has been "We have no information to give you at this time." To me, that points to Bethesda being the one responsible for the delay, not Sony.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:41 am

If the delay was on Sony's end, I'm pretty sure Bethesda would point the finger at them by now. The difference between this patch and all the others is that Bethesda has always announced that they've submitted the patch to Sony for review and whatnot, while here the official word for a month has been "We have no information to give you at this time." To me, that points to Bethesda being the one responsible for the delay, not Sony.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter much to be honest. 1.6 screwed the Xbox gameplay so much for me i gave up with it (load screen crashing at least every hour or so, lighting effects that now pop up as you approach torches/lanterns, draw distance noticably reduced! pop up terrain and buildings and reproducible game freezes in certain areas) and bought it for PC.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:11 pm

Huh. That's funny. I came in here thinking this was a thread about "Beth and DLC Deals" so I could comment on that whole thing (which I support, by the way - and any of you people would take a handful of cash from Microsoft if it meant a temporary exclusive deal with them. Yes. Yes, you would), and instead I find discussion about... patches :blink:

Where's the talk about Beth and DLC Deals? I call shenanigans on this thread.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:21 pm

Huh. That's funny. I came in here thinking this was a thread about "Beth and DLC Deals" so I could comment on that whole thing (which I support, by the way - and any of you people would take a handful of cash from Microsoft if it meant a temporary exclusive deal with them. Yes. Yes, you would), and instead I find discussion about... patches :blink:

Where's the talk about Beth and DLC Deals? I call shenanigans on this thread.

Maybe one day a video game producer will stand up for the customer. These exclusive deals punisher customers.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:59 pm

Just do yourself a favor and go buy an xbox... Sony has had their heads up their assess since the PS3 launched. And no, I'm no MS really devoted fan. I own both consoles but only play uncharted on PS3.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:15 pm

If the delay was on Sony's end, I'm pretty sure Bethesda would point the finger at them by now. The difference between this patch and all the others is that Bethesda has always announced that they've submitted the patch to Sony for review and whatnot, while here the official word for a month has been "We have no information to give you at this time." To me, that points to Bethesda being the one responsible for the delay, not Sony.

Right, and how do you think Sony would react to that? "yep, it's all our fault lolz"?

Nope, a comment like that would create far more trouble than it's worth. If it's not sonys validation process, it's problems in getting the patch to not break things like earlier patches did. Either way there will be silence on the issue until it is resolved. I see no logical alternative.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:50 pm

Just do yourself a favor and go buy a PC...

Fixed for how Bethesda games really work.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:35 pm

Well, let's not turn this into a platform war guys and gals. We're all better than that.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:26 pm

I am actually glad the xbox users get the first 2 dlcs ahead of their counterparts. 1. pc users get to mod games.2. ps3 consoles always get laggy and bugs so that may be why the dlc came out for xbox first.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:56 pm

I'm on Xbox and I never got any 1.6 update. :blink:

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:18 pm

I'm on Xbox and I never got any 1.6 update. :blink:

you had to or else you could not play skyrim without being on xbox live.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:50 am

you had to or else you could not play skyrim without being on xbox live.

Hm, I guess I can't remember doing that. Well I can play on Xbox live while playing Skyrim perfectly fine so I guess I must have it. Well I guess the update didn't change much, although, I recently discovered I can decorate my house and when I come back, those items I lied around are still in there same spot. It's a miracle!

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:55 am

Hm, I guess I can't remember doing that. Well I can play on Xbox live while playing Skyrim perfectly fine so I guess I must have it. Well I guess the update didn't change much, although, I recently discovered I can decorate my house and when I come back, those items I lied around are still in there same spot. It's a miracle!

you already could decorate your house, It has been that way and the update added easier underwater visuals and mounted combat.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:32 pm

you already could decorate your house, It has been that way and the update added easier underwater visuals and mounted combat.

Well then, I need a calender to keep up with these kinds of things.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:39 am

This is the offical thread, last thread reached post limit, i am the original owner.

I just think its really unfair that people blame Bethesda for a 30 exclusive for a certain console.

I understand people are mad, but its a marketable deal that Beth has to take advantage of.

If anything

Blame Microsoft or Sony, not Bethesda, if we were all given money for an exclusive DLC we would certantly take it.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:41 pm

I don't blame them, if the money they get adds for more dlc content in general to all platforms its a better thing.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:31 am

Its not Beth's fault that Sony wont let them get their source code so they can let out Dawnguard already.

Its also been more than a month for Ps3 users to get patch 1.6, A PATCH!!, actually they still havent got it.

Dawnguard, a dlc will take well over a month.

Not beth's fault, its sonys.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:03 am

hmm

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:26 am

Its not Beth's fault that Sony wont let them get their source code so they can let out Dawnguard

Misinformation.

Bethesda took money to delay Dawnguard. It's not a coding issue.

And besides, Dawnguard is purely assets not a code change. It should work fine out of the box after the textures and sound files are saved in the right formats (already works on PC for some ...).

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:15 pm

Misinformation.

Bethesda took money to delay Dawnguard. It's not a coding issue.

And besides, Dawnguard is purely assets not a code change. It should work fine out of the box after the textures and sound files are saved in the right formats (already works on PC for some ...).

No im saying why it has to take LONGER than 30 days for the release on ps3, its exclusive for 30 days but since Ps3 is stingy with the source card it will be delayed.

Anybody who understands transfers and stata data understands this.