Ya I have to agree with the principle of self control. There are always ways to exploit weaknesses of a game mechanic, in particular open ended sandbox mechanics. For example a friend of mine raised his armor skill to perfect by simply going out, finding a wolf and letting it hit him overnight while he slept because the regeneration rate of his character was higher than the DPS of the wolf. He proclaimed the game broken. My response was, there is nothing wrong with the game, there is something wrong with you. As a gamer you can cheat, that pretty much goes for any game. I don't see any difference between this and simply going into the software and modding it to give you a 100 in Heavy Armor, its the same difference. Its no magic trick to hack a game and make it do what you want and while its the developers job to eliminate exploits its not a reasable request for a develop to create a massive game like this and catch every possible exploit in the game. No developer has ever managed it in any game ever invented and no one ever will. So simply choose not to exploit the game and seek out weaknesses in the mechanic and you won't be affected by it.

This reminds me a lot of my pencil and paper RPG days when power gamers would mathmatically breakdown the game, create super powerful characters and than proclaim the game was broken. Than when as a GM I altered the rules to resolve the problem they would call me a railroader. Power gamers ruin it for themselves.

What stuff, level, skills, weapons exactly are u using that u can 1 hit a dragon?

The game should be balanced such that by min/maxing the game, one could still find a challenge. The loop hole in upgrades is the problem. Enchanr an item to make better potions. Then make a potion that makes better enchantments. Repeat...

Balance needs to be preserved or ppl who want to make their char the best to overcome the maxed.difficulty of the game should not turn into one shotting everythinf.

Heck even none min/max you can one shot everything using sneak + brotherhood for x30 backstab.

Bethesda has always been absolutely awful at combat. This is still an improvement over Oblivion, at least.

I think being able to become basically invincible is part of what makes TES awesome it takes serious effort and dedication, not to mention careful planning of your build, to pull it off and that makes the reward worth it. It's like how in oblivion you could ,potentially, make yourself 100% immune to magic and reflect 100% of all physical damage, you had to spend hours leveling up to get the best rewards and travel all over Cyrodil gathering the needed artifacts and all told it could take 50+ hrs of gameplay to pull it off but you got a reward that equalled your investment.

Short answer is if you don't want to become a demi-god don't work to gather the artifacts/ experience you need to become one.

This isn't WoW. If you find something that you don't like don't use it. The Elder Scrolls is about freedom of choice. I've found it to be well balanced and a ton of fun so far. I've also never one shorted a dragon, but have gotten one or two shotted by plenty of creatures, including dragons.

I find it hard to get this balancing crap people are talking about too.

Why does it matter? If you think you are becoming overpowered by min-maxing everything then why minmax? If you feel like the game is too hard for the role your are playing, then lower the difficulty.

I just think you shouldnt be able to do enchant items to make better potions then potions to make better enchants and then repeat. I think this should not be allowed and maybe not allow them to stack on multiple items. Only the highest is taken into account.

hey enlighten me as to how I can do more damage. I am archer thief and I sure as heck don't 1 shot dragons at level 21. did you use smithing or enchant to upgrade stuff?

I have elven bow and whatever best arrows I can find. Hamelyn took forever to kill (I know how I would do it different now) with arrows.

Check out the link I posted earlier.

The argument "if its OP, dont use it" is not valid. There is no reason for this balance issue to be in the game in the first place. And ppl like maxing out their characters to overcome challenges but still expect a challenge, not steamroll everything. And now if they release any dlc, thats also steamrolled...

Im playing on Master/expert. Dragons 2 shot me and right now they are impossible without a whole garrison at my back. level 15.

I can't one-shot dragons so it's not a problem. Maybe once I level up I will be able to and that is DEFINITELY a good thing. That is what is so fun about Morrowind. You start as nothing and end as the most powerful person in the continent, Skyrim sounds the same

One shotting everything ruins the experience. You should be powerful in the end but not like that one shot everything powerful

Bump for bethesda to see

At some point I may want to play a master archer that can pick dragons out the sky with a single shot. Thank you Bethesda, for giving me the freedom to do so...

Of course, having focused so narrowly on that one vocation I realize that other aspects of the game will become more challenging, just as in real life.

You are wrong! Go find the book "Dragonborn" in Skyrim and read it! I think its Dragonborn anyways You shall see you are proven wrong!

quoted for truth

What build/weapons are you using that you're one shotting a dragon? I'm playing as a mage and am nowhere near that...

This is part of the problem of the current level of young gamers.

Do anything possible to become as powerful as possible, without enjoying one single aspect of the storyline.

Guess what kids! Single player game. Sandbox! Suspension of disbelief! Some people don't play the game like others and there is no right way to play. No right way to 'Raid a boss' or 'get the best lewt' or 'best lewt' at all!

WoW has wrecked these kids brains

So wanting to have a challenge while min/maxing is a bad thing now?

so I have heard

1) ) if you level it up RIGHT, you are invincible.

but others say

2) if you level noncombat stuff, the monsters are too hard.


is that a good summary? so the number 2 people need to learn from the number 1 people.

don't know what to do for first group.

Player become godmode in a TES Game.

Someone alert the Media.


Although I am personally interested in what things you used to one shot a dragon...



Hey, they give us headaches on the WoW forums too. Careful with those wide brushes.

If you want to one shot dragons that's great. I don't and think the OP is right.

Min/Maxing in a singleplayer game and doing it in a multiplayer game that requires 24 other people with you is not the same thing.

While you're running around in epics do those level 85 trash mobs pose a "challenge" to you 1v1?

Didnt think so.

Vestige, you are obviously baiting and trolling now, there have been plenty of good reasons as to why the game balance is the way it currently is and you simply ignore them or dismiss them without any solid reasoning.


Let me ask you a few questions, What difficulty are you playing on and how long do you think it will take to get to "God Mode" Status? Is it feasible to do beyond theory crafting?

You see, when a character becomes stronger in a RPG, it is called Character Progression, in which the character gains new abilities and advantages over current foes/situations and becomes better at dealing with the next larger threat. You don't just jump in power level from getting owned by everything to owning everything. How is the game fun without progression? it isn't. You are afraid of becoming bored because of the potential that the game can give to someone that maxes out certain abilities in the later stages of the game if they somehow have all the gold and skill prereqs in an impossible amount of time. You could just you know... make a new character and play a different way to keep having fun. TES is not a MMORPG in which new expansions are added just so all the top tier players can have the cat's pajamas over the next best loot. They make expansions to increase game content all around so players can have something called FUN and NEW EXPERIENCES.