Bioware's Fail at Ponies : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:42 am

Eh, there's always going to be problems with video game books. Even the Dragon Age books had some inconsistancies and hell, those were written by Gaider. For example

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Allistair is said to be the son of Maric and the Elven Warden Fiona, when the games cealrly established that dear ol' Al was the son of a serving girl in Redcliffe.

And A Song of Ice and Fire is "bland" in the same way that I'm a giraffe. Its one of the most complex, political , morally grey and interesting fantasy series ever written. Althoughy since Ratslayer hates everyone and everything, I'm not surprised he hates ASOIAF as well.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:01 pm

Eh, there's always going to be problems with video game books. Even the Dragon Age books had some inconsistancies and hell, those were written by Gaider. For example

Spoiler

Allistair is said to be the son of Maric and the Elven Warden Fiona, when the games cealrly established that dear ol' Al was the son of a serving girl in Redcliffe.

And A Song of Ice and Fire is "bland" in the same way that I'm a giraffe. Its one of the most complex, political , morally grey and interesting fantasy series ever written. Althoughy since Ratslayer hates everyone and everything, I'm not surprised he hates ASOIAF as well.

So I'm not insane noticing Ratslayer never likes anything.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:03 pm

By do something else you mean, the author throws a dart and kills of the character it hits ?
I dont care how the story ends, it would mean wading through total [censored], like the six scene between the queen and her brother. Which you only read after hearing about a woman talk about having a good ache inside after having six with her husband.

I would rather read my immortal in one sitting, atleast its intentionally bad.

Again, all I ask is that you know what you're criticizing, which you obviously don't. Nothing personal. Based on what you've said I doubt you've read the entire first book. Perhaps you could say something like, "I didn't like x and y so I stopped reading and I don't know anything more about it." At least it would come off as genuine.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:06 pm

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanDumb

It's like reading a psychology profile on a few people here. Hahahaha.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. You've very likely doomed me to wander TVtropes for the rest of the night.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:09 am

Eh, there's always going to be problems with video game books. Even the Dragon Age books had some inconsistancies and hell, those were written by Gaider. For example

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Allistair is said to be the son of Maric and the Elven Warden Fiona, when the games cealrly established that dear ol' Al was the son of a serving girl in Redcliffe.

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To be fair to DA, Alistair's parentage hasn't really been confirmed anywhere. The whole story about his mother being a serving girl could very well be a lie (as Fiona didn't want anyone to know her son's mother was an Elf). Likewise, it hasn't really been confirmed that Fiona is Al's mother either.

Truth be told, though, I'm of the opinion that Bioware's writer's have no clue what the truth is about that matter, or several others. Which doesn't bode well for them.

If you want a real inconsistency, take the Architect; in the book, he's described as looking like a regular Hurlock, and towards the end he loses a hand. http://files.mmomfg.com/wp-content/gallery/dragon-age-awakening-03122010/dragon-age-architect-1.jpg. He also has both hands perfectly intact...ugh.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:35 pm

Again, all I ask is that you know what you're criticizing, which you obviously don't. Nothing personal. Perhaps you could say something like, "I didn't like x and y so I stopped reading and I don't know anything more about it." At least it would come off as genuine.

Don't bother, he hates everything. Seriously go look at his old posts. I'm wondering if he's some kind of professional troll. Just wasting your time. Which is why i want to see ihm make a thread so bad with that he likes. I'm dieing to know here.

Edit
Muahahah Khamsin, you've fallen for the most evil trap in the internet.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:52 pm

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To be fair to DA, Alistair's parentage hasn't really been confirmed anywhere. The whole story about his mother being a serving girl could very well be a lie (as Fiona didn't want anyone to know her son's mother was an Elf). Likewise, it hasn't really been confirmed that Fiona is Al's mother either.

Truth be told, though, I'm of the opinion that Bioware's writer's have no clue themselves about that matter, or several others.

If you want a real inconsistency, take the Architect; in the book, he's described as looking like a regular Hurlock, and towards the end he loses a hand. http://files.mmomfg.com/wp-content/gallery/dragon-age-awakening-03122010/dragon-age-architect-1.jpg. He also has both hands perfectly intact...ugh.

True its never 100% confirmed,

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But they sure spend a lot of time in the game focusing on it and saying "Hey! This is his family!" with the books adding a single line that buggers that all up.

And Gaider wrote both books and then went over to write much of Dragon Age 2, so we're all well aware of how terrible a writer he is. Bioware's really gone downhill in the creative department since Origins. Frankly the only decent thing they've come up with since then are some of the stuff in TOR.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:34 pm

I dont remember you, so no.

I havent read them, but its dragon age, so I assume it just means you need to read more. Same for people who harp on about ASOIAF. Its cliche and its characters nd world are bland.

Your only a drone when you defend things like poor writing.

Also the book burning guy is pretty sad. I didnt like splinter cell convicition. I sold it. Burning it would be stupid and childish.

Come on! ASIAF is a great book series. I can't see how any of it is bland. And all fantasy is cliche. I challenge anyone to show me a truly original piece of fantasy. It's all based off history and LOTR.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:15 pm

I challenge anyone to show me a truly original piece of fantasy.

Uh well I was gunna say LOTR but then you mentioned it afterwards. :ermm:

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:26 pm

I have mentioned things I like, if you havent seen those posts, its not my problem.

Where? WHERE?!

Where is this resevoir of gold?

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:57 pm

Where? WHERE?!

Where is this resevoir of gold?

Exactly, WHERE!?

I say we start some kind of forum wide community discussion petition. We need to find out what this guy likes, he claims to like stuff anyways. I say we call the Inquistion, because no one suspects it.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:24 am

I guess I ~~cant~~ can't call characters cliche, plots predictable, unless I have an ~~A's~~ A in my spelling. I ~~didnt~~ didn't realise spelling gave shallow characters depth.

Well, I fixed my previous reply with the corrections, as to highlight the ineffectiveness of your claims, when it seems you cannot even remotely use proper grammar and spelling. Fixed this post as well :smile:

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» Mon May 14, 2012 10:28 pm

Exactly, WHERE!?

I say we start some kind of forum wide community discussion petition. We need to find out what this guy likes, he claims to like stuff anyways. I say we call the Inquistion, because no one suspects it.

Definitely.

But we'll need to get bull---- meters, just in case something he liked was simply a fabrication.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:20 am

Uh well I was gunna say LOTR but then you mentioned it afterwards. :ermm:

Tolkein is the master, but then it's like all sci fi fantasy is now compared to Star Trek and Star Wars. I don't think it's a bad thing. I normally hate fantasy novels because the author tries to make up for the lack of memorable characters and storyline, by using ridiculously descriptive language that just gets dull. I changed my opinion having read game of thrones, it's like a political thriller with just the right amount of fantasy thrown in.

I feel sorry for anyone that can't enjoy them.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:28 pm

Don't bother, he hates everything. Seriously go look at his old posts. I'm wondering if he's some kind of professional troll. Just wasting your time. Which is why i want to see ihm make a thread so bad with that he likes. I'm dieing to know here.

Seen a limited number of my posts, and stating facts about me.
Calling me a troll, based from your own lack of information.
Saying I waste time, despite you trying to start arguments with me several times.

Dont you have some novel to write. Maybe you should get around too that, allthough you dont seem like the type to use logic*.

*I am copying you and making this assumption, based of several of your many posts.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:42 am

Tolkein is the master, but then it's like all sci fi fantasy is now compared to Star Trek and Star Wars. I don't think it's a bad thing. I normally hate fantasy novels because the author tries to make up for the lack of memorable characters and storyline, by using ridiculously descriptive language that just gets dull. I changed my opinion having read game of thrones, it's like a political thriller with just the right amount of fantasy thrown in.

I feel sorry for anyone that can't enjoy them.

Yep, one of the things I like about ASOIAF is that its very low fantasy. Its mainly a story of the political clashes and the characters struggling in a harsh world rather than being about wizards who throw fireballs around. The fantasy is there just enough to shake things up and make it unique without dragging it too far either way.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:03 pm

Seen a limited number of my posts, and stating facts about me.
Calling me a troll, based from your own lack of information.
Saying I waste time, despite you trying to start arguments with me several times.

Dont you have some novel to write. Maybe you should get around too that, allthough you dont seem like the type to use logic*.

*I am copying you and making this assumption, based of several of your many posts.

I want to see what you like. Is that so hard? I'm not even making fun of you or anything. I sincerly and genuinely want to see what things you like. It's a freaking forum mystery and its beginning to bother me. And a few others based on their posts.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:14 am

Come on! ASIAF is a great book series. I can't see how any of it is bland. And all fantasy is cliche. I challenge anyone to show me a truly original piece of fantasy. It's all based off history and LOTR.

H.P. Lovecraft and Terry Pratchett's stuff and a lot of Steampunk is pretty original. (Although that doesn't always mean good.)

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:46 pm

Well, I fixed my previous reply with the corrections, as to highlight the ineffectiveness of your claims, when it seems you cannot even remotely use proper grammar and spelling. Fixed this post as well :smile:

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When you have no actual argument, thats a valid tactic.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:20 am

H.P. Lovecraft and Terry Pratchett's stuff and a lot of Steampunk is pretty original. (Although that doesn't always mean good.)

You're right about Pratchett. I'd forgotten about him. I've never read any Lovecraft. I admit that I'm not an avid fantasy reader, so I don't really know what I'm talking about. :lol:

I've got a few discworld books, but I could never get in to them for some reason. I got a beautifully illustrated hardback Pratchett book for Christmas one year. It was nice to look at, but I couldn't get in to the characters...

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:22 pm

H.P. Lovecraft and Terry Pratchett's stuff and a lot of Steampunk is pretty original. (Although that doesn't always mean good.)

H.P isn't original, he based lots of lore off of scienctific theories. Or so it seems to me. Nothing is original in this world, nothing. It's all a matter of how close to being a copy something is. It's a weird thing about the universe, or at least the human way of vieing the universe.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife I can't find the right page on TV tropes, but it expains the concept that nothing is original well. This is the closest I could get.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:46 pm

Poor Ratslayer. Don't worry, we'll hate Biofail together!

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:04 pm

H.P. Lovecraft and Terry Pratchett's stuff and a lot of Steampunk is pretty original. (Although that doesn't always mean good.)

The problem with originality, or if you would, pioneering something, is that sooner or later someone will catch up with you. Rip off your works, maybe even pull them off a little better and so on. So even if you did something "first", and that fact is acknowledged, it doesn't make you original when you're caught up with.

What stands at the end of the day is personal reasoning. At the end of the day, nothing is original, everything is bland.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:10 am

Ah yes, here it is. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SoYouWantTo/BeOriginal

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:11 pm

I'll take "Call of Cthulhu" "The Dunwich Horror" and "Shadow over Innsmouth" over anything Biofail related anyday.