more ignorance, you just raging cos they shut down your psn network?

Yeah, raging about something I don't have and don't care about. Anon's are a plague, get over it that's what they are. They aren't something to idolize.

well the real anon (group) could actually be something to idolise, never know. but dont forget that anyone can just hack or whatever then claim it was anonymous. the whole subject is a grey area, but im sure there is great people out there amongst the crowd such as the ones that shut down the paedophile website/ring whatever.

I'm not neccesarily for or against them, but I do want to know what they'll do next

Hard to say really i've heard reports that anonymous was decoding that stuxnet worm and successfully made a new malicious program out of it. However, that is dubious news at best since anonymous can be a bunch of liars. Still remember them saying they were going to shut down wallstreet with some saying "that's not us/anonymous it's a splinter group."

Which is a real convenient excuse, if you think about it. It basically says "LOL, We can do whatever we want and you can't do [censored] about it because it wasn't really us!" I lost all respect for anonymous after that little "alliance" of theirs with LulzSec (or, I should say, what little respect I had left). Whatever their intentions may have been, anyone who associates with a group that by all means should be in prison is NOT the good guy.

^^^^^This.

Right cause anonymous has done no good /sarcasm.

Remember the whole cat abuse incident? Yeah, anonymous were the ones who stopped the cat from repeatedly getting tortured and the vids getting posted to YouTube. Anonymous saved the cat's life. Yes, anonymous has done good things like that, bad things, and morally gray things (ie stealing a lot of money but giving it to charity). People need to stop being stereotypical and hateful, and realize that not everything is black and white. Everything has a bit of good in them and a bit of bad. Everything.

Isn't Anonymous just a bunch of kids crying for attention?

Please read my last post. Some are. Some are noble people. Some are complete ass-hats. Please don't stereotype, especially with a group like anonymous that consists of basically everybody and anybody imaginable.

That's exactly the problem. It's that lack of direction that makes them dangerous. Sure, not all of them do all of the stuff we hear on the news, but most don't condemn it either because it's still within the bounds of what they believe. Anonymous is a prime example of why a leaderless, directionless group simply doesn't work.

Yup, and all gamers are socially inept teens who don't have a job.

Your quote, above, applies to any group of people, even led ones.

At least most led groups have some way of keeping a reign on what their members do, keep them from doing stuff that casts the group in a bad light.

Let's make one thing clear, I don't hate a lot of what anonymous does, like Next's example where they caught those guys putting up animal torture vides on youtube. That kind of thing is good. However, I don't like the group itself because they lack any kind of restraint, and that's what comes back to bite them (and a lot of other people who have nothing to do with them for that matter) all the time.

what about the bad groups? I mean, there's nothing about organization that makes a group saintly. If anything, organized baddies are often many times worse than leaderless ones.

At least they do something and stand for their convictions, which is more than I can say about a good many people.

All depends on what the group is. If Anonymous is so good, like so many people on this thread are claiming, then a leader to prevent them from doing the bad things can only be a good thing.


The http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellIntentionedExtremist: Someone whose goals most people can appreciate, but whose methods are problematic.

anunymuz is lejun! XDDDD

/b/tards don't deserve much attention from the media. I'd hardly call them "hackers on steroids."

*snickers* Script kiddies are the funniest lot out there thinking "O ya, I changed >> to << in this line of coding means i'm a hacker now" which is pathetic. Ran into those idiots all the time in CS which was funny seeing them run around aimbotting people then saying they made the script themselves. Betting there's a chunk of people in anonymous that are just DLing scripts sent to them by the real programmers out there. Heck some probably even let the real hackers hijack their computer letting the person think they are "hacking".

This.

the OP is really a government decoy trying to flush out anonymous members in all forums possible. oh im just bored now time to shut down PC and get outside

I can easily name several groups that have leaders who either ignored what their members were doing or basically condoned bad things (but I'd be violating several forum rules and probably get myself banned in the process). Leaders do not always have a tight leash on group members - in some cases the opposite is true. The simple presence of a leader does not necessitate that said leader has control over group members, or will even try to intervene or do "the right thing."

The funny thing is, Anonymous is made up of people - people decide to do the things, both good and bad, that are attributed to Anonymous. They have the same level of restraint that anyone else does - which is to say only the restraints that they place upon themselves.

This. Very much this.

Because I'm sure they're successful bankers, doctors, lawyers, businessmen etc.

Seriously, I picture a bunch of disgruntled college-age kids, not successful advlts. Until I see actual pictures and bios of them, I'll continue to. I can't help it.

You've summed up my opinion of Anonymous perfectly.

If you watched the video, you would have seen the face of a very normal person who is a member of anonymous.

I find it hilarious the stereotyping that goes on on this forums for so many things, because it's the exact same stereotyping that so many of you all hate when applied to "gamers"

How this came up in the Bethesda forums I'll never know...

Who care's if they're a bunch of pimply-faced d-bags?

This IS the Skyrim forum right?

In a time with legislature such as SOPA trying to pass, Anonymous could not be more relevant.

*Edit*

Coulda swore I was just in the Skyrim forum.