COMPLAINT! : Fallout: New Vegas

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:58 am

No offence, but that sentence just make's me wonder in wich world u live in...

One where when something is worth buying, you buy it an do not [censored]?

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:40 am

Internet(my ISP) went down last night just as I was sitting down to play---call me real pee'd off ( to put it mildly) :thumbsdown:

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:30 am

Well, the same can be said about the car manufacturers, they will loose the sale of a new and in most cases better car if someone buys a second hand car. Of course there`s a huge difference there, but i just had to say it;) Personally i never buy used games, only vintage hard to get games if i had to. And i have to agree that Steam can be a great way of distributing and letting people know of your games, i have bought my fair share of Steam games. But the point of this discussion was that we are forced to register online with physical retail copies, and again if you don`t have an internet connection, for what ever reason, you`re in trouble:( Luckily i have a great connection, i`m just worried that the game companies will go too far with this and i want to express my concerns before they do.

The thing is when you buy a car, you buy the actual car. Not the right to drive it.

These days when you buy a game, You do not buy the actual game, you buy the license to play it.
And part of the EULA, is that you cannot sell that license on to someone else.

Steam-works basically helps to enforce that. If the car companies could do something similar, I am sure they would. But driving a car is a lot different from installing a PC game

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:17 pm

The thing is when you buy a car, you buy the actual car. Not the right to drive it.

These days when you buy a game, You do not buy the actual game, you buy the license to play it.
And part of the EULA, is that you cannot sell that license on to someone else.

Steam-works basically helps to enforce that. If the car companies could do something similar, I am sure they would. But driving a car is a lot different from installing a PC game

If you buy a digital copy i agree, but not with a physical copy, you can`t even read the EULA on a physical copy until you`ve bought the game and gotten home starting to install it.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:10 am

If you buy a digital copy i agree, but not with a physical copy, you can`t even read the EULA on a physical copy until you`ve bought the game and gotten home starting to install it.

When you start to install it, it gives you the option to agree or disagree to the EULA. If you Disagree, it is not installed and bound to your steam account, and you can take it back.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:18 pm

When you start to install it, it gives you the option to agree or disagree to the EULA. If you Disagree, it is not installed and bound to your steam account, and you can take it back.

Not where i come from, if the seal is broken it`s yours for keeps. They have no way of knowing if you`ve used the reg key or not and therefore they don`t resell the game to someone else. In this case i`m talking about the PC version, not sure about console versions though;)

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:48 am

I am talking about the PC version too. And over here they say that you cannot return PC games, but trust me, You make a fuss to their manager or mention the trade act, they soon forget trying to squeeze the 30 quid out of you.

Besides the EULA has had that for a while now, if you did not read the terms of the contract you were agreeing to, that was your folly

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:09 pm

Not where i come from, if the seal is broken it`s yours for keeps. They have no way of knowing if you`ve used the reg key or not and therefore they don`t resell the game to someone else. In this case i`m talking about the PC version, not sure about console versions though;)

Then contact the publisher. Tell them you refuse to accept the EULA and the retailer has refused to give you a refund, and as such, they appear to be in breach.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:11 pm

The thing is when you buy a car, you buy the actual car. Not the right to drive it.

These days when you buy a game, You do not buy the actual game, you buy the license to play it.
And part of the EULA, is that you cannot sell that license on to someone else.

Steam-works basically helps to enforce that. If the car companies could do something similar, I am sure they would. But driving a car is a lot different from installing a PC game

Techinically, you own the car but so does the bank/company you bought the car from with a loan....don't pay the loan. The bank/company take car from you. Unless you completely paid off the brand new car right at the beginning or bought a second-hand car (since cheaper, most people can pay off quickly. Same thing as the house, you loan the the money to buy a house. Though it maybe in your name but the bank still have rights to take it back it you don't pay them correct? Lol....also, you can trade-in and resell game that you bought. STEAM doesn't really enforce single-player games do they such as XB360. Even some of the other games that are single-player can be bought, resold and traded at places such as EBGames. So how does STEAM enforce that? Hmmm......unless the company does so such as this game. Now a representative from Beth work acknowledge that STEAM have a part in their ongoing problem are now looking a patch so STEAM is not used.

Lucky didn't buy the game for PC or XB360 seeing the nature of the problems that propped up by the hundreds about bugs that are glaring as heck. So guess time to wait until see what happens next week before deciding to buy or wait for the next big thing in the gaming world.

BTW. Sandii, are you some viral marketeer with STEAM or Beth? The way you defend that STEAM is enforcing something when most likely that reason be is a widely used service of convinence more than anything. Assasssin Creed as digitally download version cannot be played unless actively connected to STEAM even though it is a singleplayer game and lots of people were annoyed when there server went down.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:43 am

I am talking about the PC version too. And over here they say that you cannot return PC games, but trust me, You make a fuss to their manager or mention the trade act, they soon forget trying to squeeze the 30 quid out of you.

Hehe, not easy being a legitimate consumer if you have to argue with the store to be able to return unwanted products, right? Well, in this case it would be the local store and not the game developers though. Well, this actually concerns the main topic as well, in regard that honest consumers gets the shortest straw while "cheaters" gets it easier.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:13 am

Let us see here... OH WHAT IS THIS IN STEAM?!
http://i54.tinypic.com/1znyg6u.png

"And now I know!"
"And knowing is half the battle."

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:29 pm

Let us see here... OH WHAT IS THIS IN STEAM?!
http://i54.tinypic.com/1znyg6u.png

"And now I know!"
"And knowing is half the battle."

Did you try installing New Vegas in offline mode? No didn`t think so, offline mode means no possible way to install New Vegas.

Got a laugh from your picture at least;)

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:21 am

i vote no and hears why

i do a hell of a lot of traveling so i got both the 360 copy and the pc copy for my laptop
so i got it for my laptop to play while im on the train and/or bus
as i prefer not to fly

and more often then not there is no internet signal

that and as a programmer i can tell you now DRM is a waste of time.
there's always going to be someone who finds a way around it (if someone can make the lock there's someone who can break the lock. that's just how it works).
And in the end DRM only hurts the legitimate customers .

and not only that think of the future what happens when you uninstall it
wait a few years and go hmm i think ile play that game again
you go to install it and low and behold steam is no longer available therefore you have some useless cd's
(ya it doesn't look like steam is going to disappear but you never know)

point being there are many problems with DRM way to many to list in fact.
granted securing the manufactures right to protect them selves and there product is important DRM is just not the right way to go about doing it or at least a better way needs to be found that doesn't
put stupid and possibly game threatening restrictions on legitimate customers
go back to just requiring the original cd to play
if was far better and far less messy

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:17 pm

Lucky didn't buy the game for PC or XB360 seeing the nature of the problems that propped up by the hundreds about bugs that are glaring as heck. So guess time to wait until see what happens next week before deciding to buy or wait for the next big thing in the gaming world.

Hey man, define luck however you want.

I've had three of the best days of gaming in my life this week. Sorry that you're missing out based on the complaints of a very small but vocal minority. Keep in mind the happy players are playing, not venting on the boards.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:26 am

Techinically, you own the car but so does the bank/company you bought the car from with a loan....don't pay the loan. The bank/company take car from you. Unless you completely paid off the brand new car right at the beginning or bought a second-hand car (since cheaper, most people can pay off quickly. Same thing as the house, you loan the the money to buy a house. Though it maybe in your name but the bank still have rights to take it back it you don't pay them correct? Lol....also, you can trade-in and resell game that you bought. STEAM doesn't really enforce single-player games do they such as XB360. Even some of the other games that are single-player can be bought, resold and traded at places such as EBGames. So how does STEAM enforce that? Hmmm......unless the company does so such as this game. Now a representative from Beth work acknowledge that STEAM have a part in their ongoing problem are now looking a patch so STEAM is not used.

Lucky didn't buy the game for PC or XB360 seeing the nature of the problems that propped up by the hundreds about bugs that are glaring as heck. So guess time to wait until see what happens next week before deciding to buy or wait for the next big thing in the gaming world.

BTW. Sandii, are you some viral marketeer with STEAM or Beth? The way you defend that STEAM is enforcing something when most likely that reason be is a widely used service of convinence more than anything. Assasssin Creed as digitally download version cannot be played unless actively connected to STEAM even though it is a singleplayer game and lots of people were annoyed when there server went down.

Bringing in the loan aspect of it, is aside from the whole conversation completely. And No I'm not a marketer, just a believer in it hehe.
And as for assassins creed 2, its not steam that you need to be connected to, but the ubisoft servers. Now, I hate that, I truly do. I find that completely different from registering the game to yourself. That kind of DRM stopped me from Having legit versions of Assassins creed 2, C+C Tiberian 4, and Settlers 7. Even though I have a constant internet connection, I refuse to help that kind of DRM. Steam, I agree with and support though.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:17 am

point being there are many problems with DRM way to many to list in fact.
granted securing the manufactures right to protect them selves and there product is important DRM is just not the right way to go about doing it or at least a better way needs to be found that doesn't
put stupid and possibly game threatening restrictions on legitimate customers
go back to just requiring the original cd to play

My thoughts exactly, just in better words perhaps;)

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:19 pm

And as for assassins creed 2, its not steam that you need to be connected to, but the ubisoft servers. Now, I hate that, I truly do. I find that completely different from registering the game to yourself. That kind of DRM stopped me from Having legit versions of Assassins creed 2, C+C Tiberian 4, and Settlers 7. Even though I have a constant internet connection, I refuse to help that kind of DRM. Steam, I agree with and support though.

I have to compliment Bethesda for not taking it that far at least! I bought Settlers 7, but played it only once because of that, i had already started the game so no point in not testing it, but i got pretty upset nonetheless;) At least you can play New Vegas in offline mode, you just have to be online to be able to install and register it.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:40 am

ITT: people resisting change.

The day is not far off when people rereading this thread are going to find the argument as quaint and outdated as the outrage in ~1994 when gaming companies stopped publishing their games on 3.5" disks.

Physical media is wasteful and useless. It can be damaged, lost, or stolen. Licensing can't.

My desk is a beautiful thing to behold compared to 10 years ago. A clean slab with a monitor, keyboard and mouse on it. No bills, invoices, and receipts to file. No game boxes, disks, or manuals. No CD jewel cases or cassettes. It's ALL inside the machine, neatly organized into little icons and folders, and neatly backed up onto a 1TB network drive.

This is a glorious time to be alive.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:29 pm

I have to compliment Bethesda for not taking it that far at least! I bought Settlers 7, but played it only once because of that, i had already started the game so no point in not testing it, but i got pretty upset nonetheless;) At least you can play New Vegas in offline mode, you just have to be online to be able to install and register it.

Which is a very small price to pay compared to the other DRM, which will kick you from the game without saving, for simply dropping from the internet.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:14 pm

Did you try installing New Vegas in offline mode? No didn`t think so, offline mode means no possible way to install New Vegas.

Got a laugh from your picture at least;)

Oh I'm sorry, I assume that every complainer here has the CD for the game to install the game and further are just being stupid about the game needing an internet connection to be played. If you have the internet connection to download it just download it and go offline or somethng! Here's a scenario for you! If your playing Fallout New Vegas and the modem dies or something you can still play the game. Why? Because Steam has gone and said "Well you logged onto this computer using this account and this game is authenticated so play it whenever you feel like it"

Did I try installing Fallout: New Vegas in Offline mode, Of course not! How stupid do I have to be to go and say "Well I can get my game off the internet without being on the internet because magical space beams are giving me the game." Furthermore I pre-ordered and pre-installed this game before release.

And further more, upon further inspection of what you type, YOU HAVE A CD! JUST GO THROUGH INSTALLING IT WITH THE FREAKING CD! If Steam is telling you that you have to wait till tomorrow then more then likely Steam is having a server issue and you might have to hit that lovely HELP->Steam Support and see where that gets ya.

Now then let's get down to procedure on how Steam works from a retail buyers side:
You buy your physical copy of FO:NV and install it. You should more than likely be told to install Steam or something. Do that, make an account and proceed to installing the game. In another scenario you will more than likely install Steam, make account, and activate New Vegas over Steam making Steam register that you bought the game and now it is automatically installing New Vegas for ya. If you don't want it to download go right click New Vegas in Steam and click "Delete Local Content" and then go on with your CD installation. After the CD install (Or WHATEVER INSTALL YOU DECIDED TO GO WITH) is done Steam will now install the most recent patch for you and you should be ready to go.

If this did not help you then proceed to look for your nearest search engine and ask it for help for anything related to Steam because more than likely someone else had the same problems as you at some point in time.

» Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:06 am

Not just NO but :swear: NO!

Whatever happened to the days where you got a CD and just installed the game and played it?

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:12 pm

Not just NO but :swear: NO!

Whatever happened to the days where you got a CD and just installed the game and played it?

It's dying, why buy a game at a store (other than some fancy Collectors edition) when you can buy it digitally, download it, and play it? It's the same thing! You go to a store, buy the game, go home, install it, and play. All of you make Steam seem like the most complicated thing ever! It's not. It's simple. The game has been bought, you own the game now. The game is now linked to your account so that if you put your house on fire and lose everything you still have that STEAM account to download some of the games you bought on Steam.

Steam does NOT require you to be online all the time to play the game. Steam does NOT require you to download the game to install it, you CAN use your CD to install.

Steam will never threaten to stab you, and in fact cannot speak. If your Steam software does speak, please disregard its advice.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:01 am

And further more, upon further inspection of what you type, YOU HAVE A CD! JUST GO THROUGH INSTALLING IT WITH THE FREAKING CD! If Steam is telling you that you have to wait till tomorrow then more then likely Steam is having a server issue and you might have to hit that lovely HELP->Steam Support and see where that gets ya.

If this did not help you then proceed to look for your nearest search engine and ask it for help for anything related to Steam because more than likely someone else had the same problems as you at some point in time.

The thing is that you CANNOT even install the game from CD unless you have an active internet connection. In other words, no internet no DVD install possible.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:01 pm

Here the pirates are already having fun playing the game without needing an internet connection after downloading the game

The pirates need an internet connection to download the game...
You need an internet connection to register the game...
Neither needs an internet connection to play the game....

What's the difference? You need an internet connection either way.

» Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:22 am

1. They warned us almost a year ago that you needed internet to activate it.
2. It appears you have internet, why are you angry?
3. I think its fair to do, considering that almost as many people in the world have access to internet as running water, or food. Perhaps instead they should require you to go turn on the faucet in your bathroom for 30 seconds before playing?
4. Really?! (With Seth & Amy!)