If you read a little more of this thread, you`ll notice that the problem is that we cannot even install the game from DVD without being connected to the internet.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Wow can't believe I missed that.

i really am P%"&*! off seriously i am sitting here wondering why i just payed ￡40 for a disc when it only leads to steam what kind of bull^%$! is that???
and i dont like the fact i am being FORCED!! to make/use steam just to play this dam game am installing it now after its installed steams coming off i dont want that stupid program on my computer and if i need steam on and Connected to the internet just to play the game its "Return->Refund"

pull your head out your ass Bethesda while i understand you want to protect your stuff from piriates the fact is if they can make no-cd cracks and stuff am sure they'll find a way around steam

i like having hard copy's of my games and somtimes i like to play old games and now i worry that if say 15->20 years down the line i want to play FNV i cant because files aint there anymore

I love how they didn't put the Steam logo on the outside of the box or mention it in the manual ?_?


next time Bethesda if your going to use steam, Direct to drive or what ever DONT BOTHER SELLING A DISK

oh am so not looking forward to Elder Scrolls 5 if u make it >_<

note am sorry if i said somit already said on this fourm i didnt read it all am really tired aint slept for over 24 hours (partly excited about fnv coming)

Stone age?
Steam?
Wha?

Steam downloads are insanely fast. Part of the reason that big studios use them is that their hardware is top notch.

My Fallout download, and the Civ 5 download two weeks ago each averaged over 1.5Mb/sec.

Did you try, you know, actually running a tracert to see what the problem was, or did it just make a sense to you to assume that it was the Steam server?

No. I don't like grocery store membership programs, either, where they give you a discount in exchange for being able to track what you buy. I don't want to be unable to play my single-player games when my Internet connection goes out, and I don't like the idea of a company being able to track my gaming habits--what games I play, when, for how long, etc. Whether or not Steam currently does that is irrelevant. Requiring a connection to play means that over time they could.

The so-called benefits of playing online (being able to track scores/achievements, being able to access games from multiple computers, still being able to play if you lose/break a disc/not having to search to find your disc) aren't things I personally value. I always play on the same PC and have gone almost 20 years without ever losing or breaking a disc. Having a games shelf (two actually, one for jewel cases, one for taller cases) on which I organize my games alphabetically by title works really well for me.

After a few days the poll reads as follows:

67% is against game companies implementing online registration for offline games, that`s a potential loss of 67% of your paying customers who instead might turn to other means of obtaining your products.

17% thinks it`s ok for gaming companies to do this.

16% don`t care.

I`d say that the numbers speak for themselves, if i had discovered that i made 67% of my customers upset personally i would rethink my strategies in hopes of not loosing them.

If you were talking about Ubisoft's system, then you might have a logical point, seeing as how it requires you to keep a constant perfect connection with no interruption or it kills your game. I'd actually support you because the Ubisoft 'always on, always perfect' model of DRM is terrible (single point failure, boot you out of game terrible).

However you are talking about Steam on this title, which has an offline mode. this does not require an open connection to play the game after the initial activation just like a whole other mess or DRM out there (Tages, SecuROM, etc). Thus, you only look ignorant of that which you speak about and I can't support ignorance as a platform for protest.

I happen to dislike DRM, I also happen to enjoy Steam as a compromise with developers that gives me back a lot of functionality in return for it's few restrictions. It also allows me to install my games anywhere, any time, as many times as I want without the need to go looking for a disk (as long as there is no 3rd party DRM) which is a heck of a lot more freedom than many other completely hamfisted systems like Ubisoft or SecuROM limited activations bull----.

Look up First Sale Doctrine. Preventing people selling on used games in this way is unlawful in pretty much every jurisdiction where FO:NV is likely to be sold - especially the US and EU.

If you don't like it, get a console and kiss your mods goodbye. :shrug: Companies can do whatever they want. Maybe if so many PC players didn't illegally steal games, there wouldn't be this problem, would there? There must be some purpose for this required internet connection. What is it?

What ever happened to the good old, "disc in console" theory? What is this about downloading F:NV? Are you using PC, or is this for Xbox? It doesn't make sense to have to download a game when you have the hardcopy.

Technically, that theory's still in effect. The "disc in PC" theory is what's missing. As far as I understand, DRMs such as this are due to piracy, although I may be wrong.

Then what, you want Microsoft version? FO3 was played on the MS system and I had a lot of down time to make their system work. I also had to spend time on the phone trying to make their system work. Steam works and if this is the way gaming is going I would rather have Steam to DRM, MS or GameSpy.

I`m sorry, but in this case you`re the ignorant one, no offense meant. If you had read more than just the first post you`d have known that more than once i`ve had to explain that to even be able to INSTALL this game you HAVE to have an open internet connection, so if you don`t have internet access offline mode afterwards won`t do you any good. What about the people that don`t have access to the internet? They won`t have any legal way of playing this game! In my country there`s a fair share of people without net access. I understand the need for online connection when it comes to digital copies, but i have no understanding what so ever when it comes to physical products for offline games. I`m just glad that Bethesda haven`t adopted Ubisofts policy about always online as you say, but how long until they do unless we start to speak up? The ones getting their games the illegal way don`t have to suffer problems like that because of games cracked even before release! Personally i like to support good titles and serious companies, but i don`t like to support their way of making it more difficult for us paying customers, i even think it`s discriminating towards people without internet.

People are still able to steal this game:P They were doing it even before the european release, and as long as they have an illegal dvd they don`t need to have an internet connection to be able to install or play the game! Don`t know about the american release though. So i ask you, what is the purpose about this required internet connection, because i don`t know and that`s the reason i started this thread. However, i think there`s one thing we all agree upon, and that is that piracy harms us honest customers. As long as it`s an official Fallout release, i`ll buy it no matter what the copy protection, i won`t like it, but what can you do when you`re a hardcoe fallout fan?!

You ignore the facts yet again.

It's stated on the box that an internet connection is required and was widely available information before release, if someone is too apathetic about paying attention to what they buy... they have no one to blame but themselves.

I have no problem if you don't like Steam, complain away, but to whine and moan and blatantly misrepresent the facts (much like the original post does) like so many have because they willingly bought the game while apparently unconscious or in a coma is just idiotic and annoying.

If you don't have an internet connection, well, you can forget about gaming in the future because no matter how much you complain it IS the future. If your connection is too slow or nonexistent, well, upgrade or complain to your local representative about the issue. Steam isn't to blame for your buying a product which states a connection is required when you lack the means to meet that criteria, either through lack of access or inability to afford it.

As long as Steam provides the ability for offline play once the game is installed and activated, I'm absolutely fine with it. Of course, I also have fairly reliable internet and pay attention to what I'm buying.

WTF? WHY DO people care???

you cant have a great gaming life if you piss about internet connections, what game do you own then? not much it seems...

complaint? no

I have had no trouble with it & the console generation is set with internet for patches & dlc

how else who they fix bugs :tops:

:gun: :nuke: :foodndrink:


(god dam PC hacking lol :brokencomputer: :swear: :banghead: :brokencomputer: )

I care because the nic card on my desktop blew up. If their going to sell a game on line thats fine. if their going to sell hard physical copies as DVDs then you should be able to install the game without needing an internet connection otherwise whats the point exactly of offering it as a dvd? Why not just make it purely a downloadable game. Just seems kinda silly to offer a DVD option that forces you to be on line in order to actually use it.

I kinda don't agree with it, but it's really one of the only options to secure there product. It's not the game companies fault.

Thank all the people who download games illegaly for that.

I have a computer that I use just for gaming. I do not put antivirus on it, because it is not for surfing the internet, just gaming. I don't wnat to put antivirus on it as it is a waste of resources that I would rather have go to the game. I was disappointed that I had to hook up to Scream to install FNV.

I call BS. If you can't afford a replacement network interface card, you have other things to be worrying about... my nephew who mows lawns can manage to buy his own computer equipment.

I would LOVE to install via the CD, but that's not how it works. Two and a half hours later, and there's STILL more than 3 hours to download.
Also, it would help if there was a welcome screen explaining how things were going to work. How about a nice "This is what you have to do to install the game..." This is totally confusing for people who are used to plugging in a CD and running an installer.

Seriously, SCREW Steam.

The day I bought the game I could not install it just because an internet site decided the game was not released yet ... I paied it, I had the DvD in my drive .. But was not even able to install it, let alone play it. And this is an offline game !

First time in 15 years gaming I can't play a game the day I buy it.

I can say this is my first and last Steam game (Actually I bought it without knowing Steam was required, this will not happen again).

BTW if one day Steam closes the service for whatever reason, what do you do if you want to re-install or play a game ? How do you activate it ?

Other question: if for whatever reason the Steam guys decide to close your account because you infringe their Eula (or any other reason actually). What do you do with all your games ?

Imarion

Basically.... you're screwed.
(Oh, and BTW - my download was paused because the Stream servers are "too busy".... at 2:16 a.m. [local time]... Thanks Steam!)

When we didn't have internet and pc's or even electricity for that matter, we played table top games. Loved them.

I feel bad for those without internet that can't play this game but of course a company is in control of what they sell and the limits placed upon what they sell. The only think one can do is let them know you are disappointed and not support their products which of course you won't be supporting product if you don't have internet.

The first time I was forced to download Steam was for Half Life 2. I was still on dial up and a very slow dial up to boot. It took forever for me to just download Steam so I could play HL:2 offline. I enjoyed the game but was ready to bite bullets in two about the required internet connection and it was also Steams beginning which was a rocky road. It's now been tweaked to be a fine tool for gamers and an obvious choice for a company looking for copy protection as well as a place to distribute patches and DLCs.

I have many neighbors without internet connections that live off the grid. Some of them bring their xboxes or pcs to my house to hook up just long enough to activate a game or get a dlc or a patch. Three came by today in fact and I've already exceeded my download limit this month. I may end up taking up a collection to pay the bill.

But regardless, it is their choice just as it is out choice whether we buy it with the limitations it has come with.

Well I dont know about you and Microsoft were talking about this same thing with the 360. But I noticed awhile a couple months ago even on FO3. If my Xbox Live is off I cant access my saved games in game to load or the DLC. So now people are forced to have atleast have a decent version of Xbox Live. I have GOLD which I have to pay for and the free SILVER, you cant access some content on. This may only be in certain areas but I basically can not play some of my games without the interent now, which includes FONV, FO3, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and a few others. Not entirely sure about all of them.