You're just compairing apples to oragnes. I got way more fun out of Skyrim than Demon's Souls (didn't get enough enjoyment out of it to warrent buying the sequal.)

Ninja'd.

This. Play what you want, dont diss our games, we wont diss your crappy ones...oops I mean yours.

mmm, I think these words do not mean what you think they mean ...

Dark Souls is a console game, and therefore irrelavent to me.

I merged a thread that had accidentally been posted in the Skyrim section, when the OP obviously just wanted to discuss Dark Souls... so... use CD for other game discussions.

Sounds good, especially when the thread is almost at it's post limit.

Let's make this discussion short.

I've never played Dark Souls but seen some Let's Play on youtube and I think both games have their own strong points that you can't simply just compare them. Dark Souls is really good for its combat gameplay, very intense, very difficult, grinding is useless, you're correct there. But TES is excellent for the exploration aspects, you don't feel like you're in danger all the time like in Dark Souls. Sometimes you could just walk around, explore, look at the scenery, look at the ground, you find all sorts of details which Dark Souls doesn't have. Its combats and quests might not satisfy all of us, but you cannot overlook these advantages.

Exactly. Dark Souls is much more a combat-oriented RPG, which the Elder Scrolls tries not to be. Bethesda does it's best to make all types of players happy, but it's obviously not going to work for everyone.

As I've said before, just play what makes you happy. No game is 'better' than the other.

I haven't played Dark Souls but I definitely will at some point. It certainly looks interesting. As for Dark Souls being more challenging and hardcoe, I'm sure it is, however, mods are already coming out that make Skyrim insanely harder than the vanilla version. There's already a mod that completely unlevels everything in the game. And the CK isn't even out yet. So, I have no doubts that Skyrim will be getting better and better as the mods roll out.

I was wondering what the heck was going on...

I don't think comparing Dark Souls to Skyrim is really fair. They are both different games. I have had more fun playing Dark Souls (mian reason is I can't really play Skyrim at the moment because of broken quests)however, because it does feel more rewarding killing enemies and clearing areas.

Don't worry much about the game being challenging or hardcoe, if you think strategically it's rather a cakewalk. Don't get me wrong you will die, alot. A whole lot of deaths. But if you keep your wits about you (which is rather difficult, the sheer size of bosses has sent me into an unthinking panic and a quick death before). be willing to adapt and you'll progress fast. I went into the game thinking shields are for whimps I'm getting a big weapon and two handing it, very bad idea, a good shield is probably the single best item to have in my opinion.
I wouldn't compare Dark Souls and TES since they are two different beasts but I'm surprised someone would think there is not great scenery in Dark Souls. Meeting Solaire the first time with the scene he's admiring looked amazing to me, heck the area getting up to it it's hard not to notice until that bull shows up. Not to mention when I first got to Anor Londo that place was jaw dropping gorgeous to me.
At first I really didn't appreciate the areas I had no map took me a while to memorize the most basic stuff and at first finding bonfires was such a massive pain. But finding safety spots becomes second nature, and the layout to me at first I thought was ugly just really big with this backround of stuff I couldn't get to till I looked more closely and would notice areas I been to way up and below me it kind of blew my mind when I realized how big and mazelike the places are.

I don't own a PS3 or X-Box

I would get a PS3 if you finally decide to get one. It has free online service, an internet browser, and it works as a Bluray player too. Not to mention the exclusives...

I second this... plus you can play Demon's Souls with a PS3, as well. Demon's Souls is in its own right a very good game.

Demons Souls was better than Dark Souls imo...

So whats the news with Dark Souls btw? Patches fix a lot of stuff? i have not really played since like...11/11/11...

IMO, there's a lot of things that could change, but the patch did do a lot of good balancing. Spell-switch is gone too.

Care to elaborate? Not that I want to prove you wrong or anything; just curious.

Personally, as much as I played Demon's Souls and as much enjoyment as I got out of it, I'm still having more fun with Dark Souls. SInce almost every core function of Demon's Souls still exists within Dark Souls, I feel like the latter is simply a more ambitious, more nuanced version of the former. It falls short in a couple of places, namely playability (I'm looking at you, Blighttown..), but I think it makes up for these in other places. Honestly though, if FROM decides to make another game in the same vein (which they'd have to be crazy not to, with the following these two games have built up by now), that one is going to be the best of both games and be excellent.

Well thats good to hear. Hows getting invaded and invading now? Is it easier for it to actually happen? Same with Summoning and getting summoned?
Mostly because I play these games for two reasons. Challenge and its multiplayer.

I have not played it since 11/10/11 but I did not like the way they set up their servers with it being nigh on impossible to get matched up with a friend. It also was a VERY rare occurence for me to get invaded and to successfully invade. Was also rare to find a summon message and you would have to wait ages to actually get summoned. There seemed very little reason to go to human form and most people stayed in Undead form and that led to few invasions.

I also felt the game was altogether not that difficult and was mostly full of cheap difficulty tricks which abused a lot of cheap methods like Spamming AoE powers consistently. Seemed like they did very little work on the AI. I was expecting improvement from Demons Souls to Dark Souls. It is still a great game but I felt Demons Souls was better. Now that it is patched I may have to change my opinion once I start playing it again.

Connecting is still quite a pain in the @ss.. The summoning signs aren't seen in every world, so you'll have to drop your own sign (as the human form guy) to refresh your server. Sometimes it takes 1 minute to summon a friend, sometimes you'll never succeed even after half an hour.

As for DeS being better than DkS, I'd rather have everyone move to demon's souls (all these millions of players) than stay in dark souls. I find the PvP boring and well, the backstabs that were tactical in demon's souls have actually become a noob-tool. You don't earn a backstab in DkS, you just get them for free.

Well that svcks. LOLz makes me think back to that Skyrim svcks because Dark Souls has Multiplayer thing.

Hmmm...that is STILL a problem? PVP was a joke when I was playing. I only played Dark Souls for like 3 weeks(a lot longer on Demons Souls) and was routinely getting backstabs on people and winning every PVP match I was in all save one or two(fell of an edge...embarassing I know). I only was in about 15 matches though. I was trying hard to get into matches too lol. What a joke...damn I liked From software a lot too. Hopefully they get the formula right when they make Lost Souls or whatever the next one is called.

i bought the first one for the ps3, frankly hated the game.. not my type of game
but..
thought i try the sequel. bought it for the xbox
still hate the game
i hate grinding to level up
i want a game to enjoy.. i deal with 'customers' all day
and when i come home i do not need a game that, for me anyways, just frustrates me to death
and i play a lot of games [example.. bought the darkness 2, the syndicate and koa-feb releases and picking up final fantasy tomorrow]

going back to dead island tomorrow.. new dlc.. for me now thats fun!
waiting for dlc for skyrim

but demon souls! aarrgghh.. done with it

You can't be serious. A blind mentally challenged monkey could land a backstab in Demon's Souls. There was no work involved; the consistant lag in the game made lagstabs a part of just about every fight -- just look up Demon's Souls tournaments on Youtube.

Not saying it's that much better in Dark, but the online play feels tighter.

@Albinodunmer: you should try the game again. I very rarely have any problems at all with connectivity and ivasions are a very regular occurance, as are summon signs (of all colors). Sure, it's harder to play with a particular friend, but you can hardly fault the game for that. Demon's Souls was supposed to be the same way. It's a design decision of FROM's that online play be random. We just found a way around it in their first try.

At least those back lagstabs didn't do any damage. :/

Neither do those in Dark. Most times someone lands a lagstab the animation plays but I take no damage. The real problem, the real persistant problem that was carried over from Demon's is the run/pivot stab. It's entirely too easy to lock on, run to the side of an opponent and land a backstab as your character moves past the over. You can do the same thing by not locking on, too. That's just annoying, and is usually what starts a lagstab.

They do damage. The only backstabs that do not do damage in Dark Souls are "hit stabs", stbas where your hit and the opponents backstab happen at the same time. Those don't even show a proper animation. I have yet to see a backstab do 0 damage, if the animation was show properly. They only do 0 damage if opponent stands about while an invisible enemy backstabs you. Those are very rare too.

There's nothing wrong with run stab / roll stab, the problem if the inability to escape them in dark souls and the guaranteed damage chance. In demon's souls, a quick roll would cancel all backstab damage, even if you get caught in the animation. In dark souls, not even 3 rolls will stop you from suffering from a backstab, which will deal damage and most of the time kill you.