The HUD is too integrated with the other menus. The one responsible for the compliance mod should be able to help you, no?

Thanks for quick answer

theres only one for F3 compliance

there is no for NV atm.

i was thinking about installing your mod and then overwriting it with the other but it'll be mess me thinks.
i think ill stick to your mod for the moment in this case as the huge default HUD makes my eyes hurt

Thanks

You should contact the author to see if he intends to make for NV then. I would not recommend using another hud with DUINV. The HUD has all kinds of settings used by other menus...

Here's the progress:

[*] hardcoe indicators now have proper colors (HUD)       - DONE?[*] Removed rogue debug string (VATS)                      - DONE[*] AmmoType text overlap fixed (HUD)                      - [*] Fixed weapon mod list overflow (Items, Container)      - DONE[*] Separated DAM and DPS values (Items, Container)        - DONE[*] Fixed notes clipping? (Data)                           -[*] Fixed sub menu issues (Start Menu)                     - [*] Fixed skills > 100 (LevelUp Menu)                      - [*] Fixed word wrap (Message Menu)                         - [*] Fixed missing button graphics in several menus (XB360) - DONE[*] Fixed faulty button shortcut (XB360 - Stats)           - DONE

Does anyone know what makes the HCMode text turn red?

There is still an element of concept/ideas, not only the actual "making" that goes into something, imo.



Likely true, altho this argument that could be used for a lot of things - "someone would have done it eventually".

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to "patent" something here, or forbid inclusion of similar concepts or whatever.
I've just seen a few suggestions by users in the DUINV threads based on PipWare, and given my experiences with modding elsewhere i'm only trying to remind of a basic modding etiquette, that's all.

But maybe it's not needed and the Fallout3/NV Community already cares about such things, i admit i haven't followed it much since the early Fallout3 days.

I was just theorizing as to what is likely to make identical features. I just go full speed ahead by instinct mostly - no clear design plan really. This is what I mean with "obvious" - ie. it's logical.


Anything implemented in DUINV will already be in DUIF3, unless it's fresh content. I've got a lot of requests coming in for these, and it's quite possible some of these exist in other mods, but I'm not about to go digging through code to see what to avoid. I see by the Pipware pics that the new HCMode meters are pretty similar to yours - is this what prompted this discussion?

I'll be doing Crafting next. http://ui.darnified.net/wip/DUIFONV/v1/CraftingGoneWrong.jpg

I don't understand how this got into a released game... Do they even have a QA process? :flame:

I think it does, IIRC. Another thing that really bothers me about it is that clicking on an item doesn't craft them, and I have to use a key to craft it. Also after you craft it, the menu closes, so if you want to craft something else you have to manually re-open it. Quite annoying all in all for a PC user.

I disagree here, you shouldn't lay claim to an idea in and of itself but the method to enact that idea, otherwise I'll claim the right to the idea of a flying space dog house. No one person should claim sole rights or credit to ideas like a single page status screen, where HuD elements go, nuke pistol, custom crosshairs, custom pipboy, body replacers, and etc. There are too many people playing this game and having similar ideas to get into arguments over who has the rights to those ideas or who was first. Lets just focus on who has the right to the actual work done to achieve those ideas. So like I said the best etiquette imho is not to use other peoples files/code without getting permission and crediting them, but if you simply copy the basic idea of their mod that's just competition which is a good thing. After all there are tons of mods that do the same things in different ways. Just my two cents.

But I'll stop debating this point as it's outside my element (as well as the topic), not being a modder and all. I respect modders such as yourself and DarN for the work you do and sharing it with the community. So I'll leave deciding on what is proper etiquette to those that are actual affected by it.



That bothered me as well.

Again, this isn't about forbidding implementation of something ( what you probably meant with avoiding ), more about recognizing "inspirational sources" ( for lack of a better word ) when it comes to certain features, like a short blurb at the end of a readme.

Well, I have some work to do here I see. I don't know if I can fix the premature closing, but I'll certainly do my best to make it at least appear finished...

http://ui.darnified.net/wip/DUIFONV/v1/DUIFONV_CraftingWIP1.jpg It's built on the Barter Menu, so I had mostly copy/paste work. Polish commencing...

I'm afraid I don't see what's wrong with that Crafting UI. That appears to be how it's supposed to look.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2163/screenshot30us.jpg is how it's supposed to look after you've selected an item to craft.

not sure if it's something darnui can do, but ive seen other mods do it, which is to split things up, liek breakdown in its own list, and ammo types u can make out of or into with 5.56mm in its own etc.

There are misaligned, missing and extra lines in there. The missing part is debatable I suppose.

There's more, but that's probably just a matter of taste. You'll see.

The crafting menu in the vanilla game is likely one of the more obvious drastic failures of a QA department that I have seen in quite a while.

...I am including the horrific QA process (or lack of) at the poor excuse for a software company that I work for. *sigh*

The craft menu wasn't really optimised for mouse input at all. The items on the left list are chosen by highlighting it with your mouse, rather than clicking, so it's quite easy to accidentally highlight and select a different item. The item also doesn't stay highlighted when the mouse is moved away, so there's no indication on what you're crafting. The ingredient list on the right makes a buggy sound when hovered over, and using the right menu's scroll bar seems to freeze the left list.

Recoding the menu's probably a bit beyond your scope, so you have to make sure your layout works around the issues. Given the mouse highlight issues on the left list, I think having a smaller font might make it more difficult to use, since it'll be harder to avoid accidental selections. Can't be helped.

this brings up the issue of the lucky 38 terminal where you can purchase optional parts to your room but you cant actually select anything

I am so excited for these changes SO far what you have done is amazing!

I am also waiting patiently for when I can add my health karma and hardcoe mode things to my screen I am so excited

UI bugs are literally staring you in the face. Bugs like these are inexcusable, unless the QA dude's name was Stevie Wonder...?


I haven't really used it yet, I simply converted it blind. I'll see what bugs lurk beneath...


Sounds like a bug for Obsidian to fix.

yes its ugly.. it needs a Darn touch

On mine I can select things, but the place that I have to click in order to do so is not aligned with the text - it is off to the side by a good bit.

...another of the, "Did someone test this? Really?" moments...

I'm touching it as we speak. The xPanels will be on screen as soon as NVSE is out.

I just took a look at that. It looks like the code used for detecting your mouse position is misaligned with the on-screen menu. But the weird thing is that there's an additional detection layer that is properly aligned.

woohoo