Yes, but he is already on his way to Falkreath Sanctuary. Go and check out Lorius Farm, before you do any of the DB quest. You'll meet Cicero on the road on his way to Falkreath Sanctuary with the Night Mother's Coffin.

And when he arrives he'll find everyone is dead, assuming he didn't hear about the sanctuaries destruction while on the road. He'll then likely turn around and go back to Dawnstar or leave skyrim completely. The same applies to Babette she has no reason to stay once everyone is dead she likely doesn't know about Dawnstar Sanctuary. She certainly doesn't know the password as Cicero never brought that knowledge to Falkreach.

I agree, on that point. Without Astrid or the Listener DB is as good as dead for the momment.

You are the guy who in 1946 in Poland, standing on the gallows, would have shrieked: "I'm innocent! I was just following orders!"

No she's not she'd have said admitted her guilt with pride.

Okay, maybe admitting guilt, but still the "just following orders" thing has led to a looooot of ordinary guys doing horrible atrocities because they don't have moral responsibility for those actions, as they are just following orders.


P.S. the OP is, if the profile is to be trusted, a male.

Didn't read through the whole thread, since I'm still completing the TG/DB questlines for the first time, but you can't feel sorry if you're serious about doing these things.

I know that some folks "project" themselves into the gameworld and find the TG/DB repugnant, and that's OK.

I'm pursuing these questlines because i wish to fully experience all of the content available, but I also acknowledge that there's a part of me that LIKES a great lot of this twisted [censored].

So I guess, in a way, by completing the "evil" quests I'm still projecting myself... indulging myself in ways that are most certainly, socially repulsive at large.

I'm obviously not alone. Someone @ Bethesda thought this stuff up... and it made its way into an AAA game.

I just look at all the factions with political ambition & it's usefulness to gain the ultimate stranglehold of power. DB assasins to take out popular political competitors, thieves guild for framing them, campanions for bit of extortion and so forth. Now all I need is for the Blades to shape up and I've got my special agents, not that I need them yet.

Spoken like a true Megalomaniac.

I farted in the Night Mother's coffin

I laughed maniacally when I found astrid after the sanctuary was attacked. The Witch burned at the stake. Just as she deserved. She no longer served Sithis, she needed to become one with the void.

The only thing that upset me about the DB was that they have fallen so far away from what they used to be and you don't really get a chance to fix it. They don't abide by the 5 tenants anymore, and Cicero is the only one that believes in them. Sure, you get to be the listener and do the Night Mother's bidding, but the rest of the DB still goes off killing people without her blessing.

I just killed them off in my second playthough because they're barely a shadow of their former selves.

It's the Dark Brotherhood. So, you are ok with murdering innocent people, but in another thread you show utter disdain for the Thieves Guild? hahahaha

Anyway, my current character killed all 3 victims in the abandoned shack, when she was abducted by Astrid. No interrogation, no questions, just pulled out her bow and BAM BAM BAM hahahahaha
Astrid admired my zeal and called me over eager or something LOL

Now, I only slaughtered the DB once, on my Imperial toon.

I do like the quest line. When I first did it, I was like WOAH you want me to do WHAT now? I wish though there were more smaller missions in between with special conditions. I really liked the DB quests in Oblivion and the special rewards. The contracts you get from Nazir should have come with more stipulations and conditions. Not just go there, kill that person. That was pure laziness on the Devs side.

Yes!

I really missed that from Oblivion. The DB quests are way too easy in Skyrim. The special conditions in Oblivion were a nice challenge.

Many of the Oblivion DB quests didn't have special conditions such as A Watery Grave, The Lonely Wanderer or any of the seven dead drop assassinations. And many of the quests with stipulations were nothing that special to begin with.

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That has been my internal debate with these quests. Do I want to do somethng my character (an extension of me I guess) wouldn't do and miss out on content in this game I really like? I have no idea if I'll want to start over and redo the entire game just to experience these quests with a different, more evil character.

I do miss this.

Like I said in other thread I'm assassin thief this is what I do. This is the reason I have no friends only people I can use to get what I want.

Does anyone know if it is possible for Astrid's husband to survive the attack on the sanctuary by the imperials? When I went in he was fighting with me in werewolf form but then he went down. Just wondered if it is possible to have him survive?

Well. Have any of you talked some more to the children in the orphanage or to Aventus after you've killed Grelod? All of these kids want to be assassins when they're old, because you helped them out so much.

So, the most likely scenario for the Dark Brotherhood, if you wiped them out, is that Cicero will be hiding some more years with the stinking corpse in the Dawnstar Sanctuary. He will grow even more insane than he already is. The then grown-up orphanage kids and Aventus will somehow join him once they're a bit older, and one of them will become the new Listener. Once they're established again, there's no reason why Babette wouldn't join them again as well; I am sure that she can survive the couple of years until then in some vampire lair or similar.

I have a few "good" (or at least, morally normal) characters who did not get involved with the thieves or assassins, but my naughty Khajiit did both. He didn't feel bad about the assassinations but I admit I felt uncomfortable with a few, such as the orc bard and poor old Naarfi. From then on, I avoided Nazir's quests and just stuck to the main questline.

Having said that, all my characters killed Grelod. Old hag had it coming.

Nope, you're not the only one.

I've been right there with you since The Elder Scrolls games allowed us to join an Assassins Guild. I never found out how to join it in Daggerfall, but in Morrowind I was a God amongst the Morag Tong. In Oblivion, I was the best Listener that they'd ever had, and it repeats now in Skyrim.

I love the Dark Brotherhood, I love the contract missions, and feel zero remorse or regret for what I do when on a contract. There was even a point when I had to hunt down the Chef in Markarth in order to find the location of the Gourmet. It was two in the morning, and while the Chef was sleeping, his two "assistants were still up and running around. So, there were three Souls sent to Sithis that night.

Loose ends and all that...



I love the Dark Brotherhood, and I love the Elder Scrolls!!!

I don't think he can legitimately survive it. There seems to be scripted deaths. That is, I did the quest The Pale Lady recently, and there was a Khajiit who died even though he wasn't even hit during the whole ending battle.

Why would you have to redo the entire game? I had planned on a specific character to do the TG and DB, but I didn't need to go through everything my warrior type or mage went through.

I haven't actually started the DB yet, But I don't think I'll have a problem.

I felt bad about killing Naarfi, after finding out what happened to his sister and all. It seemed rather pointless. Then again, on some ways he was already dead and giving him the axe was more out of pitty than spite.