Do Dunmer like Imperials or Stormcloaks?

Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:17 pm

I know both sides have their pros and cons but what do the Dunmer think of each? Trying to figure out what side my dunmer assassin should join. Thanks.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:35 pm

Stormcloaks hate every race besides nords
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:22 pm

I can't imagine that the Dunmer are too pleased with either after Red Mountain exploded and refugees are facing unprecedented difficulties, but Ulfric is doing a lot to get on their bad side.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:12 am

Stormcloaks hate every race besides nords
I don't know what started this idea, but everyone says it and I just don't get it. It's explicitly stated that Stormcloaks don't hate anyone who isn't a Nord. They may use the term "True Nord" often, but "True Nord" doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a Nord, you just have to represent the ideals of Nordic culture, which is a role than can be fulfilled by any race.

All Dunmer aren't the same, so a Dunmer could join either, but it's more likely that a Dunmer would join the Empire as opposed to the Stormcloaks. Hell, you can even find a Dunmer farmer on the road occasionally, claiming he's off to join the Empire.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:26 am

I know both sides have their pros and cons but what do the Dunmer think of each? Trying to figure out what side my dunmer assassin should join. Thanks.
Go to the "Gray" quarter in Windhelm and talk to the Dunmer there. They will tell you what's up.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:00 pm

I know both sides have their pros and cons but what do the Dunmer think of each? Trying to figure out what side my dunmer assassin should join. Thanks.
I guess we haven't visited Windhelm as an Argonian or Dark Elf yet , have we? Well in general, Imperials tend to be less xenophobic and more open minded. Nords--particularly the ones in Windhelm and Winterhold---come across as your average educated hillbilly hicks :lol:

To directly answer your question: consider traveling to Windhelm and visit the Grey Quarter when you get the chance. Also check out the books lying around in the Grey Quarter in Windhelm--particuarly one called "The Dunmer of Skyrim". This most enlightening book is located in the New Gnisis Cornerclub tavern. But beware: the Dunmer proprietor has a permanent hard on for Nords. He's also turned his establishment into a hotbed of Imperial insurrection. There. That should help clear things up. :lol:
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:53 am

I don't know what started this idea, but everyone says it and I just don't get it. It's explicitly stated that Stormcloaks don't hate anyone who isn't a Nord. They may use the term "True Nord" often, but "True Nord" doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a Nord, you just have to represent the ideals of Nordic culture, which is a role than can be fulfilled by any race.

All Dunmer aren't the same, so a Dunmer could join either, but it's more likely that a Dunmer would join the Empire as opposed to the Stormcloaks. Hell, you can even find a Dunmer farmer on the road occasionally, claiming he's off to join the Empire.
That's just it Velorien---I've yet to met a Dunmer on any of the roads on an eager quest to join the Stormcloak faction! :lol:
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:20 am

That's just it Velorien---I've yet to met a Dunmer on any of the roads on an eager quest to join the Stormcloak faction! :lol:
Doesn't mean it can't happen.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:44 pm

Go to the "Gray" quarter in Windhelm and talk to the Dunmer there. They will tell you what's up.

I think that if a Dunmer was running around yelling about how much he loved nord traditions and hated the empire for banning talos then the nords would respect him but most dunmer are neutral and just want a place to live and have their culture survive so the nords see that as an intrusion and dislike them for it. So i guess it really depends on what type of dark elf they are.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:06 am

They are more in the imperials side, if you do the Imperial side of the civil war the new Jarl promises to improve the Grey Quarter, and pretty much the Dunmer and Argonians are more well off than before, also it is already mentioned that Ulfric will not lift a finger to help anyone that was not a Nord.
Also Ulfric banned Argonians from entering the city, the only reason that Dunmer are in the city was because the High king invited them in.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:30 pm

An average Dunmer wouldn't care and they would stay neutral but there are more Imperial supporters than Stormcloak supporters ( have yet to see a dark elf stormcloak suppporter ).
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:38 am

I think that if a Dunmer was running around yelling about how much he loved nord traditions and hated the empire for banning talos then the nords would respect him but most dunmer are neutral and just want a place to live and have their culture survive so the nords see that as an intrusion and dislike them for it. So i guess it really depends on what type of dark elf they are.

A dark elf is an elf. That's all a stormcloak-minded person needs to persecute them.

Read up on the lore: ancestrally, elves are the enemy of nords.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:03 pm

Just look at what the nords did to the snow elves.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:39 am

Just look at what the nords did to the snow elves.

The Falmer were poisoned by fungis... By the dwemer, the "dwarven" race.
The nords didn't really do anything about the falmer. xD
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:46 pm

Ya but it was the nords who drove them underground with the dwarven race in the first place.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:56 am

I don't know what started this idea, but everyone says it and I just don't get it. It's explicitly stated that Stormcloaks don't hate anyone who isn't a Nord. They may use the term "True Nord" often, but "True Nord" doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a Nord, you just have to represent the ideals of Nordic culture, which is a role than can be fulfilled by any race.

All Dunmer aren't the same, so a Dunmer could join either, but it's more likely that a Dunmer would join the Empire as opposed to the Stormcloaks. Hell, you can even find a Dunmer farmer on the road occasionally, claiming he's off to join the Empire.

"True brothers and sisters of Skyrim" does not include any of the interloper races... ask them. Better, run into them on the road. They call everyone a milk drinker except Nords.

Hate is a strong word... unfair. I'd agree.

How about this? The Stormcloak Nords are radically closed minded and unable to see the big picture that includes all the races of Skyrim working together. They've been indoctrinated by extremists and like all extremists they have a very narrow view of just about everything because if they opened their minds they'd have to accept that what they're doing and saying and believing seems pretty hollow and narrow in the scheme of things. If they didn't have their backs against the wall and the rumors of you being a Dragonborn weren't fresh in their minds, I doubt anyone but a true Nord would be able to become a Stormcloak.

Also, a point to ponder... we are actually in the lands of the Snow Elves, a grand and beautiful race of Elves who are all but extinct and forever changed by a combination of Nord occupation and forced slavery by the Dwemmer. Anyone else came later and ultimately took what they got without thought to the natives. The true brothers and sisters of Skyrim live in caves without eyes and make creepy noises when they come to kill you.

lol
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:48 pm

The Falmer were poisoned by fungis... By the dwemer, the "dwarven" race.
The nords didn't really do anything about the falmer. xD

The dwemer were already gone when the Nords took Skyrim, and they did everything in their power to keep the strange creatures from coming up out of caves and taking back the land.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:35 am

Honestly if I was role-playing a Dunmer I wouldn't pick either side (not like you gain anything by doing those quests anyway). Let the two factions kill each other and let the Dunmer fill in the void. This is definately the mindset of most Dunmer in Skyrim anyway.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:35 pm

The dwemer were already gone when the Nords took Skyrim, and they did everything in their power to keep the strange creatures from coming up out of caves and taking back the land.

I must find more things about the Lore. I know nothing. haha.

The nords are not worried about the thalmor. They seem to hate them but they can't see the thalmor wants Skyrim and the Emipre apart.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:41 am

Stormcloaks don't care about the state of the Dunmer or any of the beast races for that matter, they won't even allow the Argonians in the city. If you side with Imperials and they take Windhelm the new Jarl starts to work on improving the Dunmer's situation and change people's views on the Argonians so he can let them in.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:15 am

The dwemer were already gone when the Nords took Skyrim, and they did everything in their power to keep the strange creatures from coming up out of caves and taking back the land.

Considering that the Falmer only retreated into the Dwemer lands because of the Nords, and there are in-game journals explicitly mentioning the Snow-Elves fighting Nords and even Dragon Cultists, not to mention mountains of in-game lore to suggest Nords were settling European style from Atmora for centuries, I'd say you need to brush up on your lore.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:21 am

Ysgramor and his Companions landed some time in the Merethic Era. The Dwemer were still around then.

IIRC, Alduin getting time-wounded as well also was during the Merethic Era. That was before anyone really bothered to date historical events, so it's all real fuzzy back then...
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:26 pm

My Dunmer hasn't done much aside from the dark brotherhood questline. I just came upon a Thalmor group that attacked me on sight. They had a letter on them with the order to find and kill my Dunmer. It states: "As a Dunmer, he is an enemy of the Thalmor."

So even though, my Dunmer hasn't really been thinking much about it, it seems that, in general, the Dunmer are not too fond of the Thalmor. As the Empire supports the Thalmor to a degree or at least takes them as a necessary evil, I'd say Dunmer would be more inclined to prefer the Stormcloaks who battle the Thalmor openly.

It is not clear however, if a Dunmer would consider a rebellion the best way to fight the Thalmor like the Stormcloaks do.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:49 am

Stormcloaks don't care about the state of the Dunmer or any of the beast races for that matter, they won't even allow the Argonians in the city. If you side with Imperials and they take Windhelm the new Jarl starts to work on improving the Dunmer's situation and change people's views on the Argonians so he can let them in.
Considering the Argonians enslaved the Dunmer after Vvardenfell, that's when you'll see real racism, when the Argonians and Dunmer are living side by side in harmony in Windhelm's ghetto. :laugh: Meanwhile what is Brunwulf going to do about the Thalmor? You're better off with a war leader.

Re the snow elves- these ancient Nords are the same ones who would go on to found the empire, so saying that present-day Nords are more culpable for that than imperials is kind of silly.

When Stormcloaks talk about "Skyrim is for the Nords," they mean that Nords should be able to rule themselves. That is a concept that anyone ought to be able to understand, and if you can forgive the empire for wanting to cut your head off for no reason, I don't see how that's harder than making common cause with the rebellion.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:52 am

Stormcloaks are pretty much Nazis ... they don't allow "inferior" races (khajit , argonians ) into some of their cities (those not imperial ) , they persecute Orcs , they barely tolerate Redguards , Imperials are mostly accepted as traders and have no access to important positions , and they hate any kind of Elves with a passion ...

They recruit only Nords in their army , they say they want to unifiy skyrim for the Nords and purify it from the Imperial culture (which includes tolerance of other races and multi culturalism ) , they segregate Dark elves in the Gray quarters and use them mostly as cheap labour elswehere , they hate and want to ban magic ( kinda like burning of books and outlawing non-nazi litterature in the 3rd reich ) , not to mention their leader is particularly xenophobic and gives any kind of help only to Nords , others are not fit to live according to him except when they can prove useful to him ..

I'd say Dunmer are neutral IMHO , or perhaps for a few of them , sympathetic to the Imperial cause , but a Dunmer siding with Stormcloak feels not right , it's like a potential slave supporting slavery basically
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