I'm Empire all the way because Romans are awesome. Yes, I know they aren't Romans.

You know nothing of Nords. Talos is Shor mantled. Their dead god in a way reborn. He is the god of man, a shezzarine, spirit of Shor. He has the utmost importance to Nord culture, and the Kalpa, as he holds it in place, if MK is correct.

That is just a religious propaganda, the game clearly show that the Nords worship many gods, not only Talos, and Talos is not the divine, it just worshiped by the locals, but still the locals worship many gods not just Talos. It is a no big deal in a religion structure that worship many gods, only few who like to add some extremism toward selected god among other gods to start a war, to kill peoples, it is a weak case

Can't control his anger? How would you feel if your people were arrested for worship, tortured and killed, begging for justice just after you did the Empire a favor and you were arrested for doing so? It was a fair duel. Vikings had many types of duels. One of them the weapons didn't matter, as long as it was one on one. In their custom, the thu'um, sacred Storm Voice of Kyne is fair game. And Torygg knew he had it. He didn't manipulate anything, all he did was state facts, which is the WGC allows the Thalmor to oppress Talos worshipers. How is it manipulation when you are telling the truth?

Just don't worship Talos, worship other gods, it is not a big deal. What if the Nords is wrong about Talos and the Thalmor s right that Talos is not god? Where is the basis of the rebellion then? So Ulfric need to convince everyone he is right by propagate about Talos and using only a little part of the whole religion issue to justify what he did, even the half of the Nords not supporting him, that tell what? That show Ulfric have no cause at all and using religion to support him, while the Nords themselves worship many gods in the same religion as everyone else in Tamriel. Talos worship is not one religion, it is a small part of belief in the whole religion, it just a slice of a cake. That is why the High King and the peoples doesn't mind much about Whitegold Concordat because it just minor issue in the religion, the very same religion everyone is in.

So, what justify Ulfric rebellion again?

EDIT : To make you understand what i am talking about...it is like a Muslim country not allow the peoples to wear niqab, the thing that cover the face, but some Muslim extremists make it an issue to go aganst the government. Wearing niqab is not a must in Islam, it just Arab tradition, but some Muslims using niqab issue making demonstrations in the street. While most Muslims doesn't mind at all about niqab, because it just minor thing in religion

not really, if Ulfric died there are others in the Stormcloaks who would take up his cause such as Galmar, and SC Officer, or even a Jarl in a SC hold..

Actually, if Ulfric had been executed at Helgen, it would strengthen the SCs resolve, as they would then see Ulfric as a martyr..

true, a stalemate that can only be broken with the aid of the LDB, a Shezarrine..

Nope ,you'll just have to deal with an even more fervent person like Galmar

At least the Romans don't bow to foreign invaders just because they suffered a devastating defeat. These wannabe Roman Cyrodillics are a disgrace to the culture they are based off of.

Yes... and it's painful...

Though I've only done the Civil War twice(once for each side) and never did it again. Mainly because I have up-most hatred for both. That and the more they kill each other. the more bodies for me to play with.

Qis, it is a big deal, a major deal actually...


the Gods of TES are not like the God of the Christian Church.


every god in TES resides over a certain Aspect.. Akatosh is time, Stendarr is Justice, Kynareth is nature, etc...


Talos is for all purposes, "the god of man"..

as a result, what do you think would happen if Talos ceased to be, because he no longer gained power from worship?

It has nothing to do with the cause, as in a point against it being the right cause, so try again.

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the lore. Yes they worship other gods, but he is the most important to the Nords, as he mantles Shor, their old dead chief god, and is a symbol of what they can accomplish. This is not propoganda, or Talos worship being gone wouldn't be such a big deal. Why do you think the Thalmor did that anyway? Because they know he's holding the kalpa in place and they know how important Talos is to Nords. Unlike a few people.

Talos is a god and not only the nords worshiped him, Talos was actually worshiped by a lot of people and it's entirely possible there are still hidden Talos cults in places like High Rock and Cyrodiil due to the Thalmor only having a large presence like we see in skyrim, though we can't say for certain due to lack of lore.

This guy is saying that he had made a few CW threads before, and STILL not satisfied... :blank:

Anyway, I stick to my answer all the time: better no empire than an Empire crumbling like Cookies at the beginning of Bruce Almighty

Empire is important to counter-balance the AD. To me, having "man" provinces going independent would tip the scale for the elves in the long run. I believe having a balance between the two may be a benefit in the long run.

As for the cake question, I am not much of a sweet-tooth. Only 2-3 kinds of cakes I do like, but very content with a juicy steak with some spuds and sauteed 'shrooms.

*if there was a punchline to that question, it definitely went over-my-head*

heres a question I'd like to ask you SC supporters...


Many of you say you support the SCs because you don't like the idea of an "Empire"..

what if Ulfric and the SCs did become the canon victor, but then decided to start an Empire of their own (we have seen the Nords build Empires in the past)..
would you continue to support the SCs in that case?

Yea but you aren't really doing a good job

I don't think that is a whole reason to side with them. That is one of the reasons I don't like the Empire, but if that was the only reason I had, it wouldn't be good enough to side with them. So if they tried that, I'd stay with them, but I'd much much much prefer they stick to their own in Skyrim, personally. But no, if I didn't believe in the cause, not liking Empires wouldn't be enough for me to go against anyone on its own.

Stoneguard, please stop, what you are doing qualifies as Spam...

if you find the topic of discussion boring or uninteresting, just don't read or post in it.

there is no "I think there is no such thing as morality in this universe" option on the poll, so I cannot truly contribute.

Yes you can, don't vote and voice your opinion, I've done it several times.

Then don't. I am getting a little tired of all this nonsense.

The Nords have only built one Empire in their entire history and that empire only lasted around 120 years. Since then they've usually kept to themselves with only a few exceptions. For a race that is considered strong and violent that doesn't seem bad.

That being said if the Stormcloaks become a bunch hypocrites... I'll have a little talk with Ulfric.

I think they're good at heart. An empire is needed if they are to destroy the Thalmor once and for all

I'd say two. Nords (although not all) Helped Talos build the Empire's foundation.

Fine, I will be "Serious" now.

I do not think the Empire is good, because I do not think there is a concept of "morality" in TES universe.

Though that's really pulling at straws, the nords helped but for the most part it was diplomacy along with the combination of various races.

Still that empire has technically been Imperial throughout this time and other races contributed to it's foundations as well. The Nords aided the Alessians too did they not? I'm talking about a Empire that has been ruled by Nords and for the Nords.

It started with them though is what I'm saying. Talos's original force was Nord, and he was a nord general (not his race which is debatable), then more and more nords started joining his cause, then bretons after he defeated the combined nord and breton armies, then the Imperials, who werent a race until morrowind. Then the rest came after.

In that case, yes just 1.

nvm, misread