That struck me more as a last resort chosen by that particular ranger since the slavers refused to leave. Certainly there's corruption in the NCR as Fallout isn't that black and white, but the NCR doesn't go around murdering people for no reason if they don't get their way. The Enclave murders a lot of innocent folks without hesitation in both Fallout 2 and 3.



It doesn't really look like the Enclave even considered the long term consequences of the FEV. They just saw an opportunity to gain power more easily after recovering Richard Grey's modified strain from the ruins of Mariposa, and took it.



That doesn't answer my question.

I think they planned sufficiently. They had a virus that killed humaniod life forms in like a minute, and then it would then die off. could be filtered but PA and Vault air filtration systems so no chance of killing them selves off before the all clear. They viewed it as the best way to eliminate all threats at one time instead of going down the path the BoS did in the DC wastes. Protracted warfare to waste all there resources and precious man power.


So saving your race from destruction isn't enough to rally to a cause? There's plenty of times where "a few die so more can live" works on the whole.

It definitely would have stayed around for longer than a minute seeing as how it was going to be carried through the jet stream to "cleanse every nook and cranny of the globe".

The Brotherhood in the Capital Wasteland definitely weren't embarking on a very worthwhile task I agree, but that struck me as bad writing more than anything. No member of the Brotherhood of Steel would be stupid enough to dedicate all of those resources to an unwinnable battle.



The Enclave was acting out of bigotry plain and simple. The average wastelander is just as human as the average Enclave member; the only thing saying otherwise is the differentiation of a couple of DNA strands. That's hardly justification for killing everyone.



In this case it's "more die so a few can live". The west coast at least was doing perfectly fine without the Enclave.

AND ENCLAVE TAKES THE LEAD!!

GO ENCLAVE!



Current votes:

Enclave 33 {} BOS 32




Ja Man

Change of pace!

What does the BoS have to offer the Wastes? Say the Enclave never came to the Wastes and the LW never existed... What chance would the BoS have?


Nice to see people agrees with Francois.

Ja Man!

Peoples treet da Enclave like cocka Roaches (accent, not misspelling). Why in da world wood ya suport da Brada hud? Dey offa no betta dan da Enclave.

Foe Jamaica Man!

"Rebuilding America" is about the stupidest possible dream in Fallout. There is no way a rational human being would even think that it was possible, or even desirable.

The Enclave loses out for me because they represent Greed and the ultimate expression of selfishness. The fact that Eden and Richardson are almost carbon-copies (apart from showing a lack of creativity) proves the Enclave is staffed by gullible idiots. "Oh hey, this plan didn't work last time, but I'm sure it will work this time!"

The Brotherhood loses out for me because they have made themselves a non-entity. In F1, the BoS tries to stay neutral and sequestered. They engage in limited trading because they have to, and then decide to try their hand in local politics (F2) to either great failure, or no effect. As documented in both F2 and F3, the BoS is a shadow of its former self. The West Coast Brotherhood is an example of LoC (lack of creativity) in my eyes.

The wasteland doesn't need them.

I disagree with the sentiment that NCR doesn't "murder people" or whatever the argument is. The Chosen One is never presented with evidence that this occurs, but we see only one town in F2, and there is plenty of evidence that the NCR is not afraid of strong-arm tactics and intimidation. It would take nothing to dress up as some raiders and kill a few people in a town in order to convince them of the benefits of annexation. And, like any organized government, they will do anything it takes to remain in power. If that means a few troublesome villagers die where no one cares about, then whatever. To suggest that this kind of thing doesn't happen just because we don't see it is pretty naive.

That was the primary reason for there organization! They looked to the future saw the nuke holocaust and planned for the future comeback of America post bombs.

:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

For the Enclave and their dream!

Point goes to the Enclave.

I'm curious as to why wanting to rebuild America is bad? *scratches head*

Cause' they destroyed the World?

Ooops... Shouldn't say that... IT WAS CHINA! *Men in black come and steal Francois*

No, no, no...it was the aliens we had that horrible nightmare about, remember? *Let Francois go!*

I personally support the Enclave.
Before some BOS really devoted fan starts the GENOCIDE!!!! cries again, let me explain.
Even if they aren't ghoulified, everyone in the wasteland has minor mutations in them.
The Enclave are doing the right thing when you think about it.
With mutations come mutants. With mutants comes violence. With violence comes life continuing to be living hell.
When the wasters are dead, no more mutations.
No more mutations means no more mutants.
No more mutants means the Enclave can start rebuilding civilization from a clean slate.
It's not as black and white as some like to make it.

You REALLY have an obsession with bashing the game in every post you make, Andaius?


China invaded Alaska in the first place.

Well, look at it like this, Eden and Autumn has his so no matter what, Autumn's ways will be what come to fruition (if the Enclave won) in the end.

And if the Enclave did win, with or without Eden, the water would still be getting to all the people of the wastes, wile those people will have to be dependant on the Enclave, is that a bad thing? at least they WILL all be getting their water for sure and not playing roulett with the rivet city guards and having a good 60% of people missing out completely.

Also, the wastes would be a better place generally. No more super mutants, meaning the capitol oculd be re built. no more giants insects, capable of killing whole families, less human mutation, deseas and poor health, as the enclave has some pretty descent medicen supply's riveling the contolled vaults. So the people have to salute the Enclave and what they reprisent, so what? It's A generally better life, and all the BoS is doing is standing in their way.

I am with you...

Second that.

:banghead: The Enclave are not good, period. They were never intended to be good and they are not. Try justifying a mass-murdering terrorist.

1. Wastelanders are human. Everyone in real life is mutated and many people in real life have mutations like the ones in Fallout(radiation-induced). Would you kill them? How would it be "better for humanity"?

2. Does it look like Black Isle Studios and Bethesda wanted them to be anything less than evil? I thought it was pretty clear they were evil after watching just Fallout 2's introduction. Have you seen it? Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3PXiV95kwA

3. They were responsible for the Great War and all the mutations you see in the wasteland. The vault experiments were their mess. Everything is their mess. How are they possibly capable of restoring or maintaining their fascist version of America?

Please forgive me if this is already explained or I missed something obvious, the purpose of the So what exactly is supposed to be used for food if all of the animals and plants are dead? I have the feeling I am missing something obvious.

The Garden of Eden Creation Kit
Your Paradise in a briefcase
(Just add water)

Wasn't the used as parts for the ? Also wasn't that ruled as unstable technology? Although on the other hand the Enclave might not have known that. I got to say if they were planning on using the that isn't really raising my confidence in them .

If the BoS take over:

World eventually falls apart or stays terrible with hell-loads of pathetic people.

If the Enclave take over:

World falls apart AT FIRST then rebuilds better than before using better technology.

There are more than one of those things. Plus the one in Vault City (Fallout 2) worked just fine.

Yes but in Fallout 3 James had said that the is unstable and dangerous. He supposedly confirmed this when talking to the creator of the himself. Are we just supposed to believe that was false? I guess it is just a question of which game do you believe, Fallout 2 or Fallout 3 :shrug:.

Well, Seti, you can be so black and white, we'll be logical... But whatever... All you do is flame us for likeing something you don't... We like these guys for a reason, you can't tell us we can't. Sorry if that offends you, but we like Enclave, we look at the big picture, you look at the little picture...