Well, Legion might not have the most "kindest" ending but Fallout isn't a lollipop land either.
Legion is needed for the people.
Might not be 100% "good" at present times, but give it a couple of generations and the people would be fine with it.

Sure. By then they would have enslaved, burned and crusified everyone who wold oppose them

Hm i just read through fast, so sorry if I mean somthing diffrent.

First thing i looks like this is a personal opinion, there all diffrent the Factions none are perfect

it seems like thats the way you want the game not somthing that can add more balance to it.

Well, exactly, but those who accept Legion would live full lives as citizens.

Good ending?

NCR is still a jingotastic bloated mess. It still cares nothing for the people, just the pockets of the senators and their cronies. The wholly incompetent General Oliver is still a general, the warmonger Kimball is still the President, and the national hubris of the NCR hasn't been broken.

It may look like a best ending for the NCR, but the NCR is the worst off in it. It's still on its self-destructive path and never got the bitter lesson it would get in the Legion, House, or Indy ending.

This sums it up for me. NCR are just as morally grey as the other factions. Some people think cause you slap a sticker on a box of crap that says 'democracy' that it brings up it's value. Do you think Tandi remained president for so long because of democracy? The senate had it's reasons for keeping Tandi in power. They also conspired with New Reno in order to force Vault City into NCR jurisdiction. NCR only care about money and land. The Legion only care about uniformity and strict order. House only cares about the welfare of New Vegas. I do not believe I have seen one person in the Mojave who wasn't mostly selfish (except for the Followers of the Apocalypse)

Each faction is supposed to represent a certain type of government that still exists today, or at least in a similar form. For example...

NCR is pure democracy. All the good things about democracy and all the corruption and bad things about democracy all rolled into one. It represents a shaky yet long lasting government that will bring the ideals of Pre-War America, both good and bad, to the Wastes.

Mr. House represents benevolent dictatorships, like in Libya today. Although House is a bit unreadable, he either truly cares for the people of Vegas or at least doesn't want a rebellion to start so he doesn't abuse his power. The Three Families represent a council that listens only to House and acts as his body in Vegas.

Caesar's Legion is a tough one. It seems like a mixture of an oligarchy(Legate Lanius, Caesar, and Praetorian Leader), a bit of aristocracy, and dictatorship all rolled into one. But it pretty much builds off of Roman government in Caesar's era. It's a militaristic country where the individual works for the state.

And Yes Man is pretty much your government. But it seems that the developers wanted to make this faction anarchy. But it's your faction and personally, I envision my Courier to be much like Mr. House, a benevolent dictator. I doubt democracy would be a strong suit here though.

In summary, I think for long term, Legion, Mr. House, or Yes Man is needed. NCR simply cannot continue. They'll soon reach a place where they simply cannot continue their conquest. Heck, I doubt they'll reach D.C without being mauled by East Coast Super Mutants.

Legion is powerful and strict. Just look at the Roman empire, they prospered and although the empire fell, Caesar is smart and if he has a son, Caesar would teach that son about the faults and good points of the Roman Empire to create a perfect militaristic civilization. Remember that humans have been brought back to the dawn of civilization. So...Caesar is recreating civilization step by step.

Both House and Yes Man are also good candidates. Mr. House is a visionary and had 200 years of experience on him. He'd bring technology back as a HUGE leap instead of step by step, which necessarily isn't a bad thing but still...I have my doubts. Legion could stop a rebellion but House, who knows.

Yes Man...that's for you to decide.

True you do lose Karma. "Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." If you do bad things bad things will happen to you, good things good things happen. You may not think its bad but the cosmos does. :grad:

Karma is obsolete anyways. It was in Fallout and it also acts as a reputation system for the settlements. Since then Reputation system as replaced it. FO3 Karma did not work as well as it did in Fallout.

Well, if you play things right, The NCR as a whole has a "whoa wait a sec" after the debacle in the Mojave. Yes Man says that House projected that Kimball would take the blame of the Mojave mess if he were alive and Vegas would if he were martyred. Several other endings indicate that the NCR learned its lesson from the Mojave if they lost the dam, such as if you let Hanlon get away with his plot; he rides a wave of popular anger against the Kimball Admin over the Mojave mess (anger that he himself has) all the way to a Senate seat.

The NCR just needs a proverbial bloody nose to break itself out of its recent jingotastic streak. They had Tandi, then they had her ineffectual apprehensive successor, then they had brash warhawks culminating in Kimball. The pendulum hopefully will swing back to where it was with Tandi after the loss of the dam.




The four primary endings are the four corners on the http://www.nolanchart.com/faq/faq8.php: NCR is Liberal. Legion is Conservative. House is Statist. Indy is Libertarian.

How is "migrate north and carve a mighty empire" bad ending for Khans? How is Boomers start trading (or something) with the wasteland bad ending?

About the only one is you can't get the BoS to be "legitimate warden"; which we all know is still not a good ending.

If you don't like your ending, http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1164205-upside-down-game-endings/

The NCR is a republic not a democracy. New California Republic. REPUBLIC.
The USA is also a republic. Yes it is stop shouting at the back, it is not a democracy. Colloquial usage of the word democracy is not the same as the system of government of democracy.

As for the endings I didn't think the NCR had the best, my vote goes to House with positive karma, good for the courier and the area. NCR was good and I disliked the fact it couldn't be bad. Similarly I disliked that the Legion's couldn't be good. I wish there were more influencers, more methods of doing things without breaking character of the groups so we could get a real feel of how they would act and thus change the ending somewhat, from chaotic evil to lawful good even within a faction. Of course, that would be a lot of work, but it would be nice.

Thanx - that's what i wanted to say as well - seriously guys, writing it the way you believe it should have happend is very challenging.
Accept the challenge!
Write your story

:)

I'll third that. For my House ending I changed that the Kings were not eliminated, but put in charge of Freeside. Afterall, by the actual ending House appreciated and respected my courier. My courier (El Cuervo) talked him out of it. Explained the Kings worked with the NCR because of El Cuervo. They are useful and they will listen. El Cuervo being House's right hand man then continued working for the Mojave and improving it. As long as it doesn't interfere with House's plan there is no problem. Each area got a representative to bring issues to El Cuervo. They then worked together. Not saying it is all wine and roses, but it worked. That is an extremely short version.

you have the opportunity to make friends, though. such as the followers, the boomers, the kings, the brotherhood. and you have a highly sophisticated AI system, represented through yes man, which could easily establish a very efficient bureaucracy, immune to corruption, in no time.

let's not forget that this thread is for descusing the possiblity of more endings.

From a story perspective I like the prospect of the yes man ending. I really got into charicter and imagened the currior as a man who was tired of the constant struggling and fighting of the wases, who helped the bright brotherhood becuse he undersood their wish to leave the hardships of the Mojave behind. He was torn bewtine the factions untill he could found his own.

I don't see the yes-man ending, nessiceraly, as a new dictatior seizing power from an old one. More like a teatcher taking charge of a rowdy classroom. Yes she has compleat athourity but she keeps order and acts for the best interest of the class.
I do not belevie that absoule power nessesairy corruops absolutely.

In reference to what's been said, I like the NCR, I'm amazed how mutch like an old country they are and how somone in this post apocolyptic world has held on to democracy. But why can't a free vegas be a democracy? As said in my prologe, their would be no room for democracy at first but it could happen when things had settled down.

By the way, you'll notice that while variuos bad comments are made about the NCR throughout the game they don't come up in the ending.
The NCR is suppoused to be undermanned, bearly able to mannage the teritory it's already got. But when they take vegas, aquire more teritory, they mannage just fine.

What I ment in my OP is that each faction/tribe has 1 ending witch is very, very good (accept for major factions). But all thse endings are with the NCR.
Out of the 4, yes-man has perhaps the lest vairables for it's outcomes. NCR has several for each tribe, mostly yes-man has 1 for all.
I'm saying there should be more vairiables for the endings.

As a futher suggestion, how about a quest where you convince Mr House to lift the segrigation and spread his rennovations to the whole city.

For you legion lovers, challange Caesar to a dule and take the legion.

By the way, ever since I heard that there was a tribe called Caesar's Legion in new vegas, I thought it was a reference to Caesars Palace, the luxury hotel and casino.

Thank you Freqnasty, that's exactly what I've been saying.
All these partys have good intentions and with their frend in "The White House" and an army of robot to keep the peace, you could broker a good outcome for all concerned.

That's the sort of option that should be in the next expansion.

Really? I don't think NCR get the "best" ending for all faction and communities in Mojave.

The most noticeable one is Primm; ending assoicate with NCR is noway the "best".

Then you have BoS; compromise community in Mojave and NCR control of the region.

And Freeside, which is only 2nd best.

Boomers, FoA, Khan and Strip doesn't really effected by NCR; they are directly result of Courier's action.

IIRC Novac only effected by Boone and Bright Brotherhood.

Companions aren't directly effected by NCR either.

So tell me, how are the endings skew to NCR?

pfffft
No system is immune to corruption, the closest you can get is benevolent dictatorship and that's easily exploited. No, it wouldn't end in some lovey dovey get together campfire group. The independent groups want what they want and would push for it, the whole may stand against any major threat, such as the Legion/NCR but as soon as that threat fades you get the usual infighting.

Only ending I like anymore is NCR.

Do I think all the other endings are 'uneven'? Nope. I don't think so, and I wouldn't care if they were anyway.

I'm not saying anything is immune to coruption but that does not mean everything will be corrupted.
You can't found a democracy and assume it'll stay like that, you have to work at it.

Some players may not like what I have put forth but I think these possibilitys should be there for those who want them.

By the way, has anyone noitced the the NCR flag has a star and a bear? Very Russian for a very anti-commie world.

This just made me think of the movie The Hangover. "This isn't the *real* Caesar's Palace, right?"

The Independent Vegas ending was somewhat unsatisfying as it basically represented New Vegas going to hell in a handbasket

And to me that doesn't make sense becuse you have an army of upgaraded securitrons.
Why is it less orderly?

I'm a bit dissapointed- I would think that Independent Vegas would be at least as good as the NCR option (provided that the Courier had good karma.)

Just read through the endings on The Vault- looks like I'll be going NCR since it's the only way to help the most amount of people in the Mojove. Man, at this rate I'll never get done with New Vegas!