Explain to me how this makes sense

Post » Thu May 17, 2012 11:37 am

The two moons look like they are being lit up by two different light sources. Does Nirn have two Suns as well?

is this something to be fixed? or is this atmosphere distortion, and the moons would really do that?

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/650998799244742445/4AB174501873802C7F500BFC49FF3AA2493A97DD/
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Unstoppable Judge
 
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 11:17 pm

The first moon is blocking light from the second moon?
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 2:05 pm

It doesn't make sense, but I'm not sure how to fix it.
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Miguel
 
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 7:47 am

Oh wow, nice catch xD

I believe the moons are just flat textures, shouldn't be too hard to fix
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 6:23 am

It doesn't make sense, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

I would assume it would be fixed the same way that dozens of moon retextures have been put out thus far.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 11:28 am

No, if Secunda isn't constantly eclipsed by Masser.

It might be worth looking into these game settings, as I expect they're involved:
fMasserAngleFadeEndfMasserAngleFadeStartfMasserAngleShadowEarlyFadefMasserSpeedfMasserZOffsetfSecundaAngleFadeEndfSecundaAngleFadeStartfSecundaAngleShadowEarlyFadefSecundaSpeedfSecundaZOffset
Also, there's no way I'll be able to un-see this now...

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Edit:

If we're lucky, it will just be that a texture needs to be rotated or something. I don't expect it to be so simple, though.

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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 12:41 pm

lol never noticed that
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 9:44 am

Well, lore wise, the moons are the decaying bodies of a god. They're lit by residual Aetherial energy :whistling:

But yea, it does look weird.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 7:16 am

Looks prefectly fine to me. The moon on the right is higher up than the moon on the left. So the right moon will be catching light from the sun on the top side, while the left moon will be catching light on its side.

Ask an artist, we always know stuff like this. :)

IF on the otherhand, the right moons further from the planet than Left, it SHOULD have its light source on the side, or look more like a gibbous moon. But it looks to me like Right is smaller and in the same orbital path as Left (which is kinda strange, but then I am not an astrophysicist).
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 3:24 am

I believe the lighting is correct, and it does change on a daily basis. I've never seen the moons illuminated incorrectly.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Well, lore wise, the moons are the decaying bodies of a god. They're lit by residual Aetherial energy :whistling:

But yea, it does look weird.

Kind of tough for a science guy like myself to get accustomed to this spiritual religious stuff. :P
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 2:45 am

Kind of tough for a science guy like myself to get accustomed to this spiritual religious stuff. :P
Understandable. The trick is to view it as science. In Nirn, 'religion' is as real as science is to us, and can be measured, observed, and tested in the same fashion. Where we have unimaginably far away balls of imploding hydrogen for stars, they have holes into another dimension. It just seems strange to us because we've gotten used to the incredibly weird stuff in our universe.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 1:12 am

Uh.....people who think this picture looks fine, have obviously never used a flashlight/(torch) :cryvaultboy:

The light source for one Moon is coming from one angle, and the light source for the other moon is coming from above the moon.

BOTH Moons, having the same light source, (a SUN) should have the same angle and same exact crescent on them.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 8:11 am

I'll look into this in more detail later if I remember.

When I majored in 3d animation I specialized in lighting, also fascinated with astronomy. At a glance I can't figure out how that lighting situation would work, but I am extremely tired right now. I play around with it and see if I can't figure it out, so pretty weird things can happen with lighting, so it might be possible.

Edit: right now the best I can come up with is both moons being partially eclipsed by the planet, and that still wouldn't be realistic.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 2:38 pm

I'll look into this in more detail later if I remember.

When I majored in 3d animation I specialized in lighting, also fascinated with astronomy. At a glance I can't figure out how that lighting situation would work, but I am extremely tired right now. I play around with it and see if I can't figure it out, so pretty weird things can happen with lighting, so it might be possible.

Edit: right now the best I can come up with is both moons being partially eclipsed by the planet, and that still wouldn't be realistic.

There's NOTHING to worry about.

There are TWO Moons.

There is ONE Light Source....

All you need to do, is look at any NASA pictures that show Saturn's Rings, or any of the outer planets with their rings and moons....

Both shadows should be the same because they are coming from the SAME light-source.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 7:16 am

There's NOTHING to worry about.

There are TWO Moons.

There is ONE Light Source....

All you need to do, is look at any NASA pictures that show Saturn's Rings, or any of the outer planets with their rings and moons....

Both shadows should be the same because they are coming from the SAME light-source.

Incorrect there lad. Both moons are in different positions. It depends on where they are in the sky and not just the light source. Makes sense to me.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 6:24 am

The two moons look like they are being lit up by two different light sources. Does Nirn have two Suns as well?

is this something to be fixed? or is this atmosphere distortion, and the moons would really do that?

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/650998799244742445/4AB174501873802C7F500BFC49FF3AA2493A97DD/
It has to do with how they are moved across the sky ingame. Yes, that is wrong. Also, the moon is always crescenting on the bottom during night, as the sun is on the other side of the planet. Look at the light hitting them from the upper left, that should be where the sun is, making it daytime.

It's all wrong, but who cares, it's two moons. :D
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 1:29 am

Uh.....people who think this picture looks fine, have obviously never used a flashlight/(torch) :cryvaultboy:

The light source for one Moon is coming from one angle, and the light source for the other moon is coming from above the moon.

BOTH Moons, having the same light source, (a SUN) should have the same angle and same exact crescent on them.

I'm no expert on astronomy but I'm sure the light from a star travels differently than light from a flash light.

Edit: Nor am I an expert in physics. I'm just taking a guess here with what I know.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 11:31 pm

Incorrect there lad. Both moons are in different positions. It depends on where they are in the sky and not just the light source. Makes sense to me.

Are you serious?
Wow.....you could not be more wrong..........
You can replicate this yourself with a Flashlight (Torch) and a couple of Styrofoam Balls...!!!

I'm speechless.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 12:31 am

Uh.....people who think this picture looks fine, have obviously never used a flashlight/(torch) :cryvaultboy:

The light source for one Moon is coming from one angle, and the light source for the other moon is coming from above the moon.

BOTH Moons, having the same light source, (a SUN) should have the same angle and same exact crescent on them.


There's NOTHING to worry about.

There are TWO Moons.

There is ONE Light Source....

All you need to do, is look at any NASA pictures that show Saturn's Rings, or any of the outer planets with their rings and moons....

Both shadows should be the same because they are coming from the SAME light-source.
A torch is far too small a scale. Moons are far larger and further away from one another and the viewer so the way light can effect them from a single source can appear distorted posibly by gravity itself.

Example of somthing similar are the moon landing pictures where the shadows of objects appear to be from 2 different sources (A popular conspiracy theory argument point) which has been prooven to be possible from a single source here on earth.

Im not a professional in lighting so Im not the best at explaining this, but I know for a fact it is possible.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 6:53 am

Sigh... imagine you're standing in a room looking at a 3 dimensional object... now imagine two of them, one 5ft from you, and the other 10ft from you. Now imagine there is a lamp on the left side of the room and tell me how the above picture makes any sense at all.

I'm suddenly very disappointed in everyone.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 1:34 pm

well If i knew how to mod without the CK, I would fix it myself. in fact the sky is my favorite thing about this game. I love looking at it quite alot...i have been known to stare at it quite fondly. as soon as somebody comes up with a mod to fix this little issue, I'll use it.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 11:45 pm

A torch is far too small a scale. Moons are far larger and further away from one another and the viewer so the way light can effect them from a single source can appear distorted posibly by gravity itself.

Example of somthing similar are the moon landing pictures where the shadows of objects appear to be from 2 different sources (A popular conspiracy theory argument point) which has been prooven to be possible from a single source here on earth.

Im not a professional in lighting so Im not the best at explaining this, but I know for a fact it is possible.

To anyone in this thread who thinks that ONE light source can cast two different shadows........WOW..........deifying the laws of physics

Then you haven't looked at the NASA Voyager photos of Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus and all of their Moons.

If you look at those pictures you will SEE a bunch of Planets and Moon, "LIT" from only one point of light (Our SUN), and you will see that the shadows
on the Planets, Moons, Rings etc, all come from one central point.

Not really sure how people aren't understanding how a flashlight works..... :shrug:
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 10:09 am

Okay people, honestly I don't think theres anything wrong with the moons. And to prove it I did a quick example in blender and got a result somewhat close to the picture from the starting post. I wont do an exact one because it would take more time, I'm a lazy person and I don't think you need more proof than this.

http://i.imgur.com/5R6Xr.jpg - the result
http://i.imgur.com/ocQtA.jpg - the layout

To anyone in this thread who thinks that ONE light source can cast two different shadows........WOW..........deifying the laws of physics

Then you haven't looked at the NASA Voyager photos of Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus and all of their Moons.

If you look at those pictures you will SEE a bunch of Planets and Moon, "LIT" from only one point of light (Our SUN), and you will see that the shadows
on the Planets, Moons, Rings etc, all come from one central point.

Not really sure how people aren't understanding how a flashlight works..... :shrug:
Okay I think you understand how a flashlight works, but you do not understand how the light that comes from one works. There are two different shadows because the moons are in different positions at different sizes. The size of the planet also makes a huge impact. Since the light from the sun first hits the planet and the moons are behind the planet, they only get some of the light from the sun but at differnt angles because they are in different positions behind the planet. Them having the exact same shadow would be impossible in this instance. If they were in front of the planet in relation to the sun then it would be posible for them to have very similar shadows.
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Post » Thu May 17, 2012 12:29 pm

Nice catch. But it's ok with me ;)
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