Ok so let me start off by saying that I was a big fallout 3 fan... and a Bethesda really devoted fan ( Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 ) " Nobody does it like Bethesda ! " I've actually been known to say that in xbl party chats lol.

But when it came to the subject of New Vegas and weather or not to purchase it I was pretty sceptical...

What first put me off was that it wasnt being developed by the elderscrolls team... but being made by Obsidian... who have gotten some pretty poor reviews ( kotor2, Alpha protocall etc. )

The other thing that sunk the idea of a purchase for me was the fact that when the game was coming out and I saw screen shots or vids I saw the same l props from Fallout 3... i.e. same desk with the same lamp and computer sitting on it or the same peeling wallpaper and same stanky matress in a room.

I figgured New Vegas was a glorified Fallout 3 expansion that was handed off to some scrub developers for a quick payday....




Well.... yeah I was wrong. Completely WRONG....

New Vegas is amazing.... I know it sounds corny but its like Obsidian read my mind and took my wishlist on how the elderscroll games and Fallout 3 could be better did me 1 up.

From an Artistic standpoint

The Narritive is compelling.... the characters are well written not two diminsonal " I am a BAD Guy "... " I am a Quirky funny lunatic " but interesting people/ghouls with backstory/motivation/conversation to match.

From a game design standpoint

Although I dont appreatiate the invisable walls on some of the rock formations, the map is incredibly well designed to form a rich and engrossing narritive experiance From the fist town you start in to all the places you pass through on your journey to the City of New Vegas, while being realisticly designed, for example like having places in proximity to the highways and the way things spread out from New Vegas....it makes for a realistic feeling world.

Oh and I cant forget the gun mechanics...a HUGE step up, finally I can shoot somthing with a sniper rifle thats more than half a block away lol.

All in all I'd have to say that New Vegas takes what Fallout 3 was and improves upon it 10 fold with a better narritive, beter world, beter gamplay mechanics and especialy better written well acted and well rounded three dimensional charecters.


I sure Hope Obsidian keeps their hands on future Fallout project because New Vegas has raised the bar....

Yep. I agree. :foodndrink:

I dont know about 10 fold. Maybe 2 fold. The enviroment was boring and there was a total lack of enemies. The glitches and bugs were always persistent. All it really is is a massive DLC.

Its a good game dont get me wrong but its not that much up from F3 or maybe not at all. The biggest let down of the whole game though was defiantly the Strip.

This one really gets me. There are tons of gameplay changes, the map is about the same size, and there are more quests. It is in no way, shape, or form a massive DLC.

Yes it is. Its like a massive expansion. The DLC's ALL add new quests and area. Guess what the FNV does the same..

!!!Hater alert!!!

You don't sound smarter by nitpicking games bro. Just saying.

Im not nitpicking jeez. Im not going to sit here and just say ohh I LOVE FNV and not share the negatives. I do like it alot but you must notice the downsides to all games. I shelled out whats wrong with it.

Bad example.

DlCs add the new stuff to the existing game. I seem to recall NOT booting up Fallout 3 in order to play New Vegas.

Presumably Vice City and San Andreas are considered expansions?
Unreal Tournament 2003 and 2004?
Command And Conquer: Red Alert?
X-Wing Alliance?

All used the same engine of their predecessors. By your logic they were all expansions too.

I guess Fallout 2 is just a big DLC despite being twice, trice or maybe even quadruple the size of it's predecessor.

:facepalm: :shakehead:

What?

I don't understand your smileys, as Deventarn didn't do anything that was facepalm worthy at all. It made a good bit of sense, actually. Perhaps you should make your point more clear if we've got you wrong?

No theirs no use now...

h8er gona h8


but in all seriousness, when I first played I felt the same way...but worse than some really good expansions like shivering isles. However, after refreshing my memory of what FO3 was like, I'm singing a different tune. There are now things that I cannot go without, such as companion wheel and the deep story.


p.s. Ace, I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU RIGHT NOW! Do you see you getting attacked? do you even see this shizz? ZOMG!

Uh . . . O.K. I'm completely willing to listen to what you have to say, if there is a reason that the "these other games must be expansions too" argument isn't applicable to New Vegas (or that if wasn't what you meant) then I am genuinely curious as to how.

By saying that F:NV is nothing more then a glorified DLC of fallout, you're saying that every sequel or spin off ever made is nothing more then glorified DLC.

Your not going to listen and im not going to try. My argument will get shot out of the sky.

Well you can't just say A without saying B.
Come on.
Out with it so we can have some delicious discussion going on. :drool:

No. Ive been in many discussions like this and it never ends good.

I can understand the position of both, but I don't fully share the position of either of those posts.

In some ways it is like a DLC, and in others it is almost a TC. I have zero issue with the reuse of mass produced items like desks (and even houses to a point).

As for there being few enemies ~I'm glad for it. The original Fallouts allowed for long distance travel with no encounters along the way ~the difference between them & FO3/NV was that it was actually risky to travel using the overland map; and you were generally relieved that it passed without incident. Some may jest, "you bet, I hated those pointless turn based fights; the less the better"; but as someone that loved the combat equally with the story and exploration... I can tell you that for me it was that I was just glad to have him make it through the wastes alive, and not to get ambushed [and maybe 'shotgunned' to death]. In FO3 and NV that's almost impossible, and is (yet another) something that I now miss in the series.

Also... IMO the engine used for a game does not matter in this regard A game built with Quake and then followed up with Unreal for the sequel ~means nothing; all that matters is the game-play and continuity.

**A personal peeve of mine is the "by your logic" retort, especially when they don't get it, or don't apply that logic in a relevant way.

I can only guess that your play style is to run around the map trying to kill stuff... which was all you could do after a certain point in fallout 3 but new Vegas is MUCH more story packed.... and I dont know if you bother talking to the npc's in the world but alot more work has been put into them. The charecter and narritve are much stronger.

Dont insulst me sir without even asking me about it.

I played the game several times and beat it 3 times. I talked to all the main people. Yes the quests and dialogue are soupier but they lack in other areas.

Its also the same in FNV. After a certain point all you can do is run around and shoot stuff.

Well the point isn't necessarily to convince, it's just to discuss your opinion on the discussion board. Unless what you say is objectively untrue, or if it is just your opinion that isn't necessarily based on anything in particular, then I have no reason not to listen to you. If you have an argument and reasoning as to why you think this way, then it's something of substance that's worth discussing. It's your prerogative however, so you do whatever you want.

Actually, you have been pretty much cryptic lately. :vaultboy:

Lol I dont know how I insulted you but it wasnt intended that way.

Of course once you've exausted the story components theres not going to be much to do....

The point of my thread is the fact that its a better designed deeper rpg experiance than its predacessor.

In what area do you believe the game to be lacking exactly ?