Oh! Okay. That is a thing that I would entirely not use the word "timer" for. I'd call that fairly good design: making the mod check that the right version of SKSE is installed.

Even so, SKSE updates don't necessarily break mods. In fact, SKSE updates breaking plugins is a symptom of early development, not the norm we'll have over the next few years. We should expect that SKSE will become backward-compatible, just like OBSE did, so mods just need to check for a minimum version. That was standard practice, and why Wrye/OBMM/etc had OBSE minimum-version checking commands in their install script languages.

Mods technically being the property of Bethesda, you guys should try to contact Gstaff to see if the company itself can put its foot down and tell FilePlanet to sit down and behave.

Mods technically being the property of Bethesda, you guys should try to contact Gstaff to see if the company itself can put its foot down and tell FilePlanet to sit down and behave.

Assets created with the construction set belong to Bethesda. Considering that the CK isn't out yet, none of us have had a chance to agree to an EULA about mods. Every Skyrim mod out right now that is not based on Vanilla game assets is absolutely the intellectual property of its creators.

Maybe I'll add a little prompt for the first load of my mod that asks from where the mod was downloaded. Jaga's idea's probably better though.

I'm impressed they actually linked to SkyUI's Nexus page when they put it on FilePlanet.

That's someone that I'm really keen to say hello, how are you good friend?
To your comment, I agree with what you say but looking ahead this has the trademark of a commercial venue between Bethie and Steam, so I truly believe they certainly have already set up the mechanisms and incentives to make sure the gross flow of mods will head to Steam, remember the big boys are now interested in mods, this is no longer a community only venue run by amatuer modders and dedicated webmasters. I'm truly convinced that many modders will seek greater exposure and maybe recognition and/or financial rewards if teaming up with Steam, soon we'll see how this is going to end up.

edit: in response to a complaint I made early Tuesday morning to their designated copyright agent I just got an email from a paralegal working for IGN letting me know that the file has been removed, and it appears to have actually gone through.

I'm going to try emailing him, asking him to take my mod down. Lets see how this goes..

I actually don't know how the DMCA "safe harbor" provisions apply when the copied content is uploaded by employees of the company. My general impression is that it's designed to only cover cases where users of an internet service do illegal things on said service. When the providers of the service do illegal things on said service, to me that sounds more like an illegal service that doesn't qualify for safe harbor provisions in any way. (if not obvious, I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice)

I hope you get a response.

Who did you send a complaint too? I have sent five in total and have not heard a thing and my files are still there.

After reading this thread I'm pretty discouraged. Is the rule of greed the only thing left?

Personally...

I sort of like what File Planet is doing. I say this because when I went on a morrowind spree, prior to skyrim's release, I would often find mods on File Planet which had been abandoned by other sites.

All of this "you need my permission" stuff is great when you're being active -- it's nice to have some control so that you can make things right -- but years after you have gone on to other things? That turns into a total pain, at that point, for anyone trying to find the "locked down" stuff that other stuff depends on.

Meanwhile, keep in mind that all of this material is ultimately Bethesda's -- its stuff they sell for money, and the mods are primarily modifications of Bethesda's game. And, ok, sure, you *did* put creative work into it, and sometimes the files are structured in such a way that the file itself was something you pretty much built by yourself. But, honestly, no one plays your file -- they play the game with your mod included. And the way Bethesda treats this issue is that anyone with a legit copy of the game has a right to play mods of that game.

Anyways, personally, I try and avoid ever using anyone's content if they have a "do not distribute" label on it, and they are active, and if I have any vague plans for making my own mods for that game. I do not want to ever be put in a situation where I cannot distribute my own mods. I think people that try to enforce restrictions on their mods being redistributed are being childish, but I also want to respect their wishes and I think the best way to achieve that involves never using their stuff.

And, honestly, I would prefer that people that do not want their stuff redistributed would never upload it. If it's a needed mod, someone else will fill probably eventually the need, but when someone puts a "do not redistribute" mod that mostly covers that need, that makes it less likely that someone else will make that kind of mod with reasonable distribution terms.

But that's just my opinion.

From a legal point of view: We are talking about derivative works based on Bethesda's copyrighted material. And as one of the copyright holders on a derivative work of Bethesda's material you do not have a lot of ability to have your work distributed on different terms from Bethesda's original terms. You can of course lock it down entirely, but the issues involving legal control of limited redistribution of a derivative of material that someone else charges for and that you are not charging for are probably not anything anyone here wants to get into. (You are probably going to have to show violation of contract in a context where no contract exists, since you have already allowed free-redistribution of your work, to anyone that wants a copy. If they were not giving you credit, however, you probably have an issue that could be taken to court.)

I hope you get a response.

I sure hope you mean that as in "Fileplanet is being greedy by hosting these mods without the authors permission." not, "The authors are greedy by not wanting their mods put everywhere willy nilly without their permission or knowledge."

Heaven forbid anyone stand against you guys.

Have you considered asking Bethesda for help? Since Bethesda's EULA says they own anything made for their games, Bethesda would have the clout to intervene on a modders behalf.

I sure hope you mean that as in "Fileplanet is being greedy by hosting these mods without the authors permission." not, "The authors are greedy by not wanting their mods put everywhere willy nilly without their permission or knowledge."

the one & only argument regarding permission that ever made any sense to me: version consistency there seriously needs to be some sort of database that lists the latest versions of mods (and make it so only the person who made a mod can update their part of the list) so one can check and not have to worry about incorrect versions being listed elsewhere, you'd already what version to look for and probably not ever find the incorrect ones i don't know how it'd deal with conglomerate mods, i guess the person who put it together needs to define it