Eh... define what it promised to us.

Before I bought the game, I watched all the what to expect videos, and understood and accepted the trailer for what it was, a cool cinematic.

That was not a trailer of game play,... *sigh*

Some of the animators wanted to do a cinema scene of the game using the game's engine to make it feel more a part of the game, and you saw that. It was not supposed to be actual game play. It would be nice if it was, but it was never intended to be. They talk about this in the making of the game documentary.

Except that part was supposed to be in game cinematics - it wasn't a gameplay trailer specifically, it was just the Skyrim trailer. It had completely CGI'd bits with Alduin's wall, scripted bits (because as I was watching it it was pretty obvious most of the stuff in the dragon fight would not be fun - you were supposed to just enjoy the engine etc.) and then the panned view of the world and random bits of gameplay.

That last category was pretty faithful - aside from actually finding those particular NPCs that was all perfectly in the game and was, to me, obviously the part of the trailer that was showing off the gameplay.

I'm actually impressed the dragon fights are anything like the trailer - hey, the dragon behaved pretty similarly.

Indeed.

Nowhere in the trailer does it say something along the lines of 'all in game footage'
It seemed clear to me which parts were showcasing the engine and feel of the game and which parts were actual gameplay and I feel in no way misleaded or decieved by the trailer ... I've watched that thing a ton of times and still always smile at fus roh daaah.

This statement is incorrect. The trailer IS in-game footage.

There is another trailer where Dovahkiin is sitting in a town, everyone runs, and a dragon attacks. That is not in-game footage. He is not talking about that trailer. He is talking about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjqsYzBrP-Mf you read carefully, it is the official gameplay trailer. If you watch it carefully, you'll find it undeniable that it is in-game footage

Except where it says official gameplay trailer?

Lol thanks. Somehow everyone made me think I was crazy for a second. I know it said Official gameplay trailer which means...stuff in there should be...you know in the "gameplay".

It's obvious which parts arent gameplay, like the cinematics on the Alduin Wall, that's a no brainer.

But if you show me in game style footage with in game style models and in game style animations...I'm gonna assume that's gameplay...didn't everyone?


I mean... I dont think their sector could be all that bad if they made those animations to begin with and understood what effect those animations would have on people wanting to buy it.

But why did they choose to not include them in the game if they already had access to them? Why go for the lazy animation when you have good anims right there....?

It's so confusing.

You're welcome. It's obvious that they made the gameplay trailer more cinematic, and you could see when watching it that some things were scripted and others weren't.

Although why the stuff in the trailer couldn't be included is anyone's guess. Stuff like heavy breathing when sprinting and stamina recharging is just mindboggling. Stuff like bloodstains does make sense however

But yeah. Why not include it in the final game? It is pretty strange.
I think that that is an early version of Whiterun's Bannered Mare. Based purely on the content of the shelves on the back wall and the design of the floor.

Maybe that NPC is a teaser, or in fact the player character?

I would suggest that the reason for this is that those custom animations were good for those scenes only, with those exact events. They look fine under heavy scripting, but would likely be terrible as a gameplay element if used as they are. It's (relatively) easy for a good modeller/animator to make half decent scripted animations, but making dynamic, player or AI controlled ones is much, much harder.

Again, the main gameplay bits are the random clips post-shout. They're all pretty much 100% faithful to the gameplay.

It's digital 'bait and switch.'

I watch all game trailers with the idea that it's either scripted or CGI, because it usually is. Unless there's a disclaimer, it really is false advertisemant.

Your brainwashed

Seriously dude? Like when did you start playing video games? Because I come from an era where video gamer trailers looked like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kLsW9zoLFw and they played like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsofg5fiSV4. So I have learned that trailers ≠ gameplay. Todd also said in a interview that much of that was for the commercial and those animations wouldn't be in the game.

See you claim hype because you watched that trailer and made up your own conclusion, or at least you are saying that other people bought this game based on that conclusion. This however doesn't mean Todd or Bethesda hyped the game, it means you, yourself hyped the game when you honestly should know better.

IMO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9eGtyqz4gY. A lot of you watched the trailer and got way to excited and to worked up about it, then felt "let down" when that didn't transfer over.

I mean should I be upset that my game doesn't look like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1AenlOEXao

A lot of these thing ARE in the game.

SEE! if a space marine says it must be true
Alot of it IS in game.

Sotik...seriously?

The FF1 example doesnt even stand up, because that game was developed...how many years ago? Like really, that kind of portrayal doesn't make much sense in this
present day of graphics and presentation. A game can look good in a trailer and look exactly the same in gameplay today, there's no gap like that anymore. So that's a
really moot point. Also, it's not like the area I'm talking about is done with a Cinematic that looks nothing like the in game models, you yourself can clearly see that the
models used in the trailer match up exactly with the models that are used in the game. It's not like its something brand new, its the same thing. Since those things match up
they would cause anyone to naturally assume that the gameplay will belike that.

If you remember, most of the largest complaints about combat with Elder scrolls was about combat not really feeling visceral or tactile + poor animations. As the game
was coming out they said clearly that all of those things had been addressed fully, and the "gameplay trailer" sealed the deal. It was clear that they knew what kind of animations
people were interested in seeing: reactions to attack, hard and visceral attaacking, animations that flow and carry weight. It's not like they had...no clue, they knew, and proved it
by showing that as the "hook" in the trailer.

When the game came out it was something totally different...how is that not false advertising?

Again, I can use this game as an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSYyTuKj_q4

This was the first trailer the game ever showed. 8 months before it's release. 8 months later when the game was released, the game plays just like it showed. Nothing is faked.
The main thing that was taken out was some of the visual effects, but I believe that was just to optimize it on both platforms and keep things similar on both plats. But nothing was "made special"
to reel people in. The game plays combat wise just like it shows. The cinemas are cinemas, and they're easy to spot. They dont use in game models to pretend that the combat is
something that it isn't.

Every trailer of the game that came out after that (about 6 or 8 in total I think, maybe less) has stuff in it that matches the gameplay verbatim. It's still visceral, it's still deep, raw and gory.
Enemies react just like they showed, there's no deception. So when I see it happen in a game like this that everyone praises highly, its only natural to call out on it I think.

For me though, I don't think its a terrible game either. I just don't understand why they would try to sell something they know clearly was important to their buyers (especially hardcoe buyers), as
though it was an implemented feature, but in the end it never existed.

But shouldn't the trailer say "Not in game footage"?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think most buyers were watching the trailer and saying, "Awesome, he's breathing heavily after he killed that giant freaking dragon! Heavy breathing! Frosty breath! Idle stances! I'm pre-ordering right NOW!"

Depends on what you mean by "in game footage". I mean, obviously, the whole thing is rendered using the in-game engine, rather than some other CGI rendering package. The fact that it uses custom animations and scripting doesn't change that.

I've caught an ancient dragon flying overhead with my Dragonbane once or twice. Making it crash like a plane, pretty sure I wasn't high at the time.

Nope its reasonably rare but it happens

Hi there shingouki. Hope you're doing fine.

You do have point. Precisely because the trailer wasn't all CGI fireworks but rather rendered with the game engine, it seems to me there was an implicit promise that all we were seeing would be in the final game. I mean that's the whole point of a non CGI trailer isn't it, to showcase the game? So I do have to agree with you.

It bring a smile to my face to and i love the trailer i couldnt realy careless because the game has the depth for it not to bother me, but im surprised to see you say this as youve been on these forums sinse release surly you remember these arguements from then and the comments from beths say it IS all in game, how ever true it maybe that it could be abd was made using the game it is not part of the game we bought, animations have been added, you exspect cinimatic cameras in game play trailers you dont exspect custom content.
"but it was never intended to be..." well im not personnely bothered as i love skyrim but it was both tweeted and on the forum that the trailer was all in game with just adjusted camera, the fact that it was built with the engine is not the same as it was in game...they definitivly misled people into thinking it was game play filmed and edited in a cinimatic way, any obe that was on the forums from day one will tell you that, the making if may say otherwise but that wasnt really open to the public like there comments on the forums, sorry beth have my cudos for skyrim but the trailer was slightly misleading...
i wouldnt call it just shrugable as its clearly an atempt to cloud the reality of the game play, if the trailer had contained all those bitz we sore resently in that mash up video you could claim that as all in game but its not in the game so ita not game footage, if they had explictedly stated we made this video useing the game engine but does not actuly represent game play just the graphical quality that would be the truth.
at leadt when you see a cgi trailer you understand its not misleading as its just cgi hype of styled after the game, unlike the person who at the start of the thread said dead islands cgi trailer was misleading, well sorry but only if your a moron, as it was obviously a mini film cgi peice not game play in the slightest, beths trailers was cinimatics in the guise of game play which is very much misleasing imo even if its only 20% non ingame content, thats still enough, people exspect alternate camera angles, good cuts and slight fiddling here and there but not custom animatations, respresented as in game. Ive always loved bethesdas work but it does urk me to see them slide to this kind of pr nonsense, there stand out as unique in the market anyway, i see no need for such sinanigans.

'm not to bothered about it tbh

I'll be honest I didn't read a lick of that because of one thing. You claimed in your first post that the very first trailer of the game over hyped it. No it did not, YOU over hyped it based off of what you saw in the trailer. Like I said before, Todd Howard himself was asked questions about that trailer and one of which was something like "When you killed the dragon and your character absorded its soul, will we see that in game." To which Todd Howard clearly stated. "No those were animations for the trailer, most of that won't make it in game."

So I fail to see how you can come on here and blame Bethesda for over hyping the game when they did no such thing. There were countless more game play trailers, live demo's, multiple TV spots that showed the game how it actually played and you never once could watch those and say, hey none of this looks like the first trailer? You even pointed out a link in your post that I am qouting where you admit what we saw in that one was h ow the game played, but somehow you still felt the first trailer depicted how the game played...

Bethesda didn't over hype anything, that's the point I was trying to make which seemed to have flown over your head. Because you assumed stuff based off of a video game TRAILER is your fault. Like I said I learned from my years of gaming that trailers DO NOT equal actual gameplay.